Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

You could learn to like lots of things. So what?

 

I don't give a **** about conversion therapy

 

You can be self programmed to like anything

 

Ok, you asked, I'm going to give you an answer, then watch you dance as you come up with excuses why this is different.

My sister was in a very long relationship with a man, they were talking about marriage and she was looking forward to it. Then something went wrong, no one knows what it was, but the relationship ended very, very badly. So my sister decided at that point to no longer be interesting in men and has been gay ever since.

So there, I just told you about the day someone chose to be gay.

 

See previous comment about the ethics and healthiness of the methodology.

 

See "self programmed" in my post

 

I have a similar story about a friend in college who only had sexual relationships with women until one very bad relationship, and now she only has sexual relationships with men.

Look, I say this as one of the most gay-supportive people you will meet: sexuality probably has some genetic/nature component, but nurture/environment plays a huuuuuge role a swell. There are probably as many "causes" of homosexuality as there are homosexuals. My fellow "gay allies" put way too much stock into fighting the "born with it" debate.

But "conversion therapy" tends to involve some pretty destructive, unhealthy, irresponsible methods. It puts the focus on trying to make people hate themselves even more than they already do. It has a very low success rate and introduces a lot of psychological risks.

 

I did. Which is why I don't understand why you are avoiding my response.

 

I don't understand your question I suppose

 

Is there a conversion therapy for crotch grabbing and serial adultery?

Seems to me that's a bigger societal problem than homosexuality.

I guess the bigots are too afraid to tackle the massive number of adulterers ripping families apart.

 

they can see counseling. They just can't get gay conversion therapy because that's nothing.

well okay if the kid just says they're gay and isn't sexually active then there's nothing to convert. After all we're talking about a sex act.

 

From People who are educated in Behavioral Science.

If I marketed diluted bleach as a cure for cancer I would be facing penalties and fines.

 

Well the OP was talking about gay conversion therapy. Than he kind of conflated it with transgenderism. Those are two very different things.

So called conversion therapy is to try and make homosexuals into heterosexual.

 

So should I be able to sell phony therapy that has no clinical support whatsoever? If so why? I can't sell something I call medicine if it's not clinically tested.

Treating a normal person as though they have a disease is not ethical. Experimenting on children with quackery is even more unethical.

I don't blame somebody who wants to believe some con artist. But we shouldn't offer our children to those types.

 

um no, both are sexual deviancies or even mental disorders. It's pure evil to deny the help that they so desperately need.

 

prove homosexuality is a mental disorder.

 

According to our mental health professionals, no, they aren't mental disorders. It is pure superstition to inflict harmful "treatement" on them in the name of religious fallacies alone, with no actual logic or reason behind them.

 

Self-programming can still be irresponsible, unhealthy and harmful.

 

Actually, they are very much the same thing. It's merely politically expedient to call them different.

 

Let the person who accesses that therapy decide whether or not it's worthwhile. Not your call.

 

Patent nonsense. Teenaged boys will experience 'reactions' to damned sports cars. Erections tell us nothing about a fixed mental state, they tell us that young penises are deaf, blind and mute.

 

Yes. But I'm sure you already know that.

 

A) which is why these poor kids suffering gender dysphoria go untreated, and end up killing themselves.

B) what on earth does religion have to do with this?

 

let's consider this for a moment

boy wants to jump off roofs claiming to be a bird, continues to do it and breaks bones. Is mental health treatment sought? He's claming to be something that he isn't

Boy wants a lopmydickoffme surgery claiming that he's a girl. Is mental health treatment sought? He's claiming to be something that he's not

Man insists on picking the nose of others, even those who consent. Do we allow that to continue? He's using his finger and getting consent but he's using it for which it's not intended, picking the nose of others

Man inserts his penis into anus of another male who consents. He's using his penis for something for which it wasn't intended. Do we intervene?

Sorry, the only way that you can claim that deviancies are not deviancies is by providing a medical test that one is born a

1: homosexual
2: pedophile
3: necrophile
4: different sex
5: different species

 

People learn to like spiders, or brussels sprouts. Psych 101.