Washington State bans gay conversion therapy on minors

it has absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

If you'd like to discuss transgenderism, then start another thread. It's off topic thread derailment here.

 

nobody is defending transgender therapy. You guys just can't discuss the topic, so you need to deflect to red herrings.

 

Then how is it a choice?

 

I do not. If you want to argue with them argue with them about things they believe.

 

He's saying it is hypocritical of year to appeal to Authority at the same time you are questioning Authority.

 

You appeal to psychological experts when you (mistakenly) think they agree with you and then dismiss them when they don't agree with you. Your argument is based on trying to defend your political point and you judge arguments based on whether or not they conform to your political beliefs, rather than on their actual validity of the argument, which is ironically what you accuse psychologists of doing. Not sure how I can make it simpler.

 

I agree and Colorado is not far behind. All brought to you by California tax dodgers movin' on out..

 

That makes no since, as there are gay transgenders, and straight transgenders....

If you "convert" to a woman and only date lesbians, does that make you gay?

 

but it's a better option for a person who feels they're a woman to be permitted to hack off their dick ?

 

Who selected the medical bodies. Unless you are performing a random sample of the population there you don't know it's opinions. Psychological organisations do not necessarily represent the opinion of the community. Many regard refer to the DSM as out together by the old gray hairs. They some guy In his 70s won't update the DAM because he doesn't want to invalidate some landmark study that made him famous in 76.

 

What?

How do you jump from the subject of homosexual conversion to gender identity disorder?

I can't follow such a disorganized conversation.

 

It is quite fortunate this world and nation do not follow or listen to your opinion.

 

I was born in Washington, raised in California and now live in Oregon.
People up here in the great pacific Northwest used to regard Californians they way rats carrying Bubonic plague should have been treated as they left ships in port cities and spread their disease around...they should have been killed and burned on sight.

But they spread their money around and bought up land and homes (driving up property values) and eventually their control of big population centers gave them political clout. I was shocked when a bill in the Oregon legislature to give free health care to all citizens of the state as a human right stalled out. That means the leftist pod people have not taken control yet but I fully expect my vote will never count for anything until I move to Idaho or Montana.

 

I'm saying the easier, less expensive route should be available.
That means a person who is having gay thoughts should have the right to seek conversion therapy.

If a man is having thoughts that "I should become a woman," he should be given the right to try therapy first instead of permitting him to simply hack off his genitals.

 

Of course they are the same. Both homosexuality and transgenderism are proven psychological disorders. I've proven this over and over again with actual studies from real doctors.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ays-in-new-dsm.503328/page-21#post-1067418854

There is zero scientific evidence you are born gay or transgender. Zero. Its only a belief no different than a religious one.

There is however a mountain of evidence proving both are psychological disorders.

Now the LGBT advocates will scream at you that its not a choice and no one is claiming it is a conscious one but it is a learned behavior just like your personality forms and your likes and dislikes.

If you can physically mutilate a child then you can certainly treat their psychological disorder.

Only a raging hateful facist would try to outlaw conversion therapy and allow genital mutilation of an underage child.

 

I Absolutly agree they should. I'm against using these so called "therapies" on children.

I don't understand, this law as I understand it makes so called conversion "therapy" that is "therapy" to go from homosexual to heterosexual illegal to administer on children.

It has no effect of therapy regarding gender identity disorder.

 

It is your word versus the word of the psych professionals. I chose them. You say they are proven disorders, they say they aren't, and I've reviewed their reasons. They seem quite reasonable.

 

Wrong again. In that link I did nothing but quote actual doctor's studies. Its clear you didn't do your homework even when the link was given to you.

Next time do your research before you reply.

 

You haven't proven homosexuality is a psychological disorder. People in the profession couldn't prove that.

Agreed there is no proof that people are born homosexual.

There isn't evidence proving homosexuality to be a psychological disorder.

Homosexuality may be a learned behavior is have to see evidence.

Homosexuality is not a psychological disorder.

I believe conversion so called "therapy" refers to converting homosexuals into heterosexuals.

If these so called "therapies" were administered by psychologists insted of other "ex-gays" that have deluded themselves or faith healers they might hold some legitimacy.

Why don't you and others who share your opinion invest in some research into this?

 

It isn't incumbent upon others to "do their homework" to prove your argument. You carry the burden of proof.

Nuts to that. I doubt your claims you research and prove your claim.

 

If you want to talk about studies, put them on this thread. I've done my research and this wouldn't the first time someone has popped up claiming to have something else but failed to provide anything new.

 

Some folks want to cling to things because it affirms some beliefs they hold. Their threshold for proof is below standards.

 

Feelings are meaningless

 

The operating theory behind conversion "therapy" is God Hates Homos.

VERY scientific!

 

Please point to the research. As I man of science I find the statement of "scientific bodies" to be laughable. Its amazing that so many people of science point to the statement of self selected bodies which is the antithesis of science.