Mueller definitely has a big coverup going

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  1. Renee

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    I guess you missed that scene around the table when everyone had to flatter him. It was the laugh of the country. And what happens when somebody doesn’t say nice things about him, they get called stupid names. Trump sure knew his base
     
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    I guess I did miss that.

    But getting called stupid names if you don't flatter him is not the same as getting favors if you do.
     
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    What's it going to be like if there is a 'complete breakdown of our democracy?" Will it look like a cabal secret policemen getting rid of the duly elected President through lies and innuendos amplified by a complicit media owned by a handful of billionaires?

    Don't look now, but the terrible has already occurred.
     
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    I think that you are mistaking the source of the lies and innuendos. . . . Trump holds the record.

    He is DARING those who oppose him to get rid of him, and wreaking vengeance upon those who do not support him and his agenda.

    Furthermore, the Justice Department and the media helped to get him elected.
     
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    I think I have a pretty good handle on the lies and innuendos: the Dossier full of Russian disinformation paid for by the Clinton campaign and used as justification for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign.

    (And all politicians wreak vengeance on those that do not support them. That's politics 101.)

    Look, it is your side which is trying every possible trick to overturn the results of the last election. Don't go moralizing to me about destroying Democracy.
     
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    The technological incompetence of Obama is the invisible elephant in the room We need to start paying attention to it. For eight years, the Obama administration refused to listen to the EMP commission, putting us behind in this critical defense against Iranian and North Korean threats to destroy our grid.

    Holdovers of Obama,s administration in the Department of Homeland Security, the DOD, and senators on the take from energy corporation lobbyists slipped it into the tax omnibus to allow funding for the to the EMP commission to end. Why.

    Why did we suffer the most serious hacks into our federal governments data bases during Obama's administration. Why did Hillary further take national secrets to a place where it could be tapped by foreign players. Are they really that incredibly inept and stupid?
    Or, was it a sneaky, deliberate act of subversion.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But, they already had total access to the oval office through Clinton, Obama, Lynch, Mueller, Clapper and Brennan.

    Portraying Trump as a guy who listens to anyone or anything but his own internal drum is laughable.
     
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    I think it was to hide the information from the American people who, had they discovered the self-serving Obama/Clinton agenda might do something rash, like elect Trump. They were indifferent to foreign hacking so long as the American people were kept in the dark.
     
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    Same is true about you. Anything that makes Trump look bad is condemned as planted evidence and part of a conspiracy. They could present clear and concrete evience against Trump and you will consider it to be fake.
     
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    Huh???

    You must have me mistaken for a Trump fan.
     
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    REPUBLICANS selected Mueller (also a Republican) to conduct the investigation. MANY congressmen in his own party are against him.

    This is an opinion forum, and I support the First Amendment. . . . But I adamantly disagree with your representations and perspective.
     
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    Sure. Trump threatens the .1% of global capitalists. The Globalists own both parties, but neither owns Trump.

    Do you disagree that the Dossier, the excuse for all this investigation, is a product of the Clinton campaign and was assembled from disinformation gathered from Russian intelligence sources?

    That ought to raise a prominent Red Flag about its legitimacy, I should think.
     
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    Yep they are.....its why the Cult of Leftness avoids talking about those breaches. Does it look like they are concerned about their Demo Party being compromised?
     
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    If you don’t flatter him you don’t get what you want and if you disagree with him you’re finished. Have you ever seen any president drain the swamp like he has? And with his own people
     
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    No one is trying to overturn the results of the election. We are stuck with Trump. But sadly people like you are not concerned with the manipulation of our very democracy. People like you make up “facts” and innuendos when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
    You actually believe the spying lies that Trump is pushing..like Obama had him wiretapped. Trump is on tape saying that he makes up things and if you repeat them enough, people believe them. He sure knew his base
     
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    A global capitalist attacking global capitalism???????. . . . By virtue of the Republican resistance to this investigation, it almost seems like they feel that there is something to hide.

    I think that there was more reasonable cause to initiate the investigation than there is to bury it. . . . There is more reason to doubt Trump and his unsavory colleagues than there is to doubt the FBI and the Justice Department.

    The plan is to discredit the investigators in order to question the final ruling. . . . As the OTHER famous showman once said: "There's a sucker born every minute."
     
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    Trump is trying to fool people into believing that he can't be impeached....but he will be, because his karma demands it.
     
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    The National Security letters isn't wiretapping, but it's damn near close enough. They had access to the phone numbers and the identities behind them. It wouldn't have taken much more to transcribe the calls(see: Flynn leaks). And those letters are long known for their abusive nature.

    So yes, the President is correct, more than we anticipated on the nature of interference in an Election. But now we know that these actions were not only taken by American Actors, but greatly collaborating with UK interlopers to once again, interfere with an election.

    And above all else, the evidence was either inference(Papadoulous), or greatly exaggerated/fabricated. All of which would be challenged when and if Mueller were to bring a case in criminal court against the President.

    He won't, and I'm doubting he'll even write his report at this stage. His report will lead to his dismissal in the circles of Washington, and possibly his career as a prosecutor as a whole. He has far more at stake than Donald.

    The worst thing that could've happened to these actors and Mueller, was the foolishness of opening up this investigation. They've put themselves into legal sharks.
     
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    What fact did I make up? What is it I don't know that I'm talking about? I try to be careful about such things. Please set the record straight.
     
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    Of course you think so. You have absorbed the lies, half-truths and distortions of CNN, et. al. CNN reported that Simpson said the Dossier informants weren't paid, for instance. CNN was reporting on leaks from the closed hearing of SImpson. But they weren't true.

    And maybe the investigators aren't credible. Or don't you care? Oughtn't they be scrutinized with the same care you want for Trump? They want to impeach the President, after all. And all the information you have is provided by nameless informants, spooks, and other unsavory characters. And the innuendos are repeated ad nauseum until you believe them. There is indeed a sucker born every minute.
     
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    I, too, am anxious for them to conclude the investigation. . . . But I want to hear the results, and I will accept the findings and recommendations of the special counsel.

    You apparently want the investigation stopped and the evidence collected thus far declared inadmissible and thrown out. . .' . How can justice ever prevail when rulings are subject to vetoes by involved or biased parties???

    ALL of your observations are purely speculative. Neither you nor I have ANY clue whether there IS truly incriminating evidence against Trump or his campaign staff, and there are so many contradictory rumors concerning the use of the dossier in the investigation. . . . All this will be explained in the final report, so there is no use arguing it now.
     
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    No. I want the investigation ended quickly and this cloud of rumors and innuendos dispersed. The investigation is being dragged simply out to hamper Trump. I think Mueller has nothing, for reasons I have given, so I don't fear his report. If by some miracle Mueller has something substantial, then so be it. I can live with President Pence.

    I do think the shady business surrounding the Dossier, dubious unmasking of Trump functionaries, and the insinuation of paid informants into the Trump circle as well as the whitewash of Clinton server scandal by Comey bears further investigation. If the FBI did no wrong, what do they have to fear? Their slow walking and resistance to releasing pertinent documents to Congress looks guilty to me.
     
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    Here’s two:

    Do you disagree that the Dossier, the excuse for all this investigation, is a product of the Clinton campaign and was assembled from disinformation gathered from Russian intelligence sources?

    The investigation is being dragged simply out to hamper Trump
     
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    Oh does trump know his base! The FBI has a lot to fear...like exposing intel that is vital for the country . This is exactly what Hitler did. Made himself higher than the judiciary and attacked the media
     
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    What is your answer to the question about the Dossier? I will defend the factualness of my assertion should you care to question it.
     

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