'When has it ever become legal to shoot someone because they’re pulling off in your car?'

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    good thing too.

    in NY you can only use deadly force to save life or prevent arson
     
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    The human life in this case is an individual who has made the conscious decision to engage in felony behavior for the purpose of victimizing another for their own benefit, simply because someone else has something that they want but do not want to work for it. Compared to someone did put in the time and effort to go about acquiring their own property in a legal manner.
     
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    killing someone to stop them from stealing a toaster, is immoral and unjust.

    if you shoot and kill someone who is running away with your toaster, you should go to prison
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    How many property owners have to be murdered because someone decided they were going to take what the owner had because they wanted it for themselves, before this notion is dismissed on the ground of being inaccurate?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Since when is felony theft regarded as being moral and just in the united states?
     
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    You’re not even making sense.
     
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    Violent felons are as valuable to the rest of humanity as colon cancer.
     
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    So you believe anyone convicted of violent crime should receive the death penalty?
     
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    its definitely less immoral than murder
     
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    How many murdered property owners is too many to be considered acceptable?
     
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    murdered by a toaster oven?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Explain how so.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how is theft less immoral than murder?

    murder is permanently ending a possibly innocent human life.

    theft is taking an inanimate object that can be replaced.

    are you saying Conservatives believe human life is no more valuable than a toaster?
     
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    Why are you even asking such a dumba$$ question? What does that have to do with the stats that I posted to refute another post???
     
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    Correct.

    Except the individual in question is not innocent, as they are committing at least one crime in committing an act of theft. Depending upon jurisdiction, the act of theft qualifies as a felony offense.

    Not everything that is taken can be replaced. The psychological trauma caused by an act of theft can be quite substantial to the victim.

    In the united states, as well as other countries around the world, there is a subset of the population that holds such beliefs. Individuals who make up this particular subset of the population have demonstrated that they will murder others in order to acquire a wristwatch, a pair of shoes, anything the property owner has that they want for themselves. To them the value of a human life is less than the value of any material possession that catches their eye.
     
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    yes, the guy who shot and killed him says he was guilty, but he may be lying.

    the dead man may be the true victim

    we cant have folks running around killing people, unless its 100% neccessary.

    protecting your toaster, is not a good reason to kill someone.
     
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    Statistically speaking, mass shootings are extremely rare, extremely isolated events, and amount to a tiny percentage of the overall number of homicides in a given year. Because of how rare these incidents occur, they should not be used as a basis for implementing any local or nationwide legal policies of any sort.
     
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    Law enforcement officers routinely kill individuals without even evaluating the situation to properly determine if deadly force is truly necessary or not. Law enforcement officers have been documented deploying deadly force within a second of arriving at the location, leaving no time for any evaluation to be carried out.
     
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    Mass shootings? What in gods name does that have to do with the stats I posted?
    And why are you mentioning anything about implementing local or nationwide policies to me? Did I say anything about implementing any policies?????
     
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    What if the dead man stole my Toaster Oven and I yell, stop toaster oven theif !
    And it is still plugged in, he trips, falls into a puddle of water and dies ???
    Then what ?
     
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    I'll ask again. Do you think all violent felons deserve the death penalty? I'll assume, mind you, that you'll hide
     
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    it is illegal for cops to shoot someone simply fleeing arrest or the scene of a crime unless that person is an actual danger to others.

    however, they are trained to understand and analyze such situations to determine when deadly force is warranted and neccessary.

    civilians are not.
     
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    Many Citizens are so trained.
    They attend schools run by current and retired law enforcement instructors.
     
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    better still just to have a law making it a felony to kill someone fleeing the scene of a burglary/robbery unless they are threatening the life another person.

    we dont need civilians killing people over a toaster or a tv.
     
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    Sounds like fun, kill a fleeing toaster oven or television set.
     

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