Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

Not funny at all, let me explain.

Eg, Trump is pushing the argument - resisted by previous US presidents - on behalf of his Conservative Christian base, that Jerusalem is the "eternal capital of Israel" . [About 50 people have lost their lives in the last month as a direct result of 'go-it-alone' Trump's Jerusalem policy; the status of Jerusalem is supposed to be agreed in a peace settlement between Palestinians and the state of Israel].

Now, Spooky claimed in post #945 that "we don't follow the OT anymore".....but peace-maker Rabin ("blessed are the peace-makers, for they shall be called the children of God") was murdered by a Jewish OT fundamentalist, so you better be sure of the scripture you claim as "the Word of God".

[I'll let atheists speak for themselves; for my part, I see the yearning or search for God, or the Divine, or indeed experience of the sheer majesty of the Universe (atheist Richard Dawkin's stance) - as intrinsically human].

 

As if there's a difference of Christians awaiting redemption for liberal killing in Christ's name at the same time.

 

For very small children it really is traumatizing. There is no way they could understand.

 

We are supposed to uphold laws and this includes illegal border crossing.
Its just the laws regarding immigration are all over the place, and the people who made the laws break them all the time. Arent companies suppose to get hefty fines for hiring illegals? Now Trump wants to put off the immigration issue. lol wth .
I dont think they want to solve sh*t

 

There is NO LAW that orders anyone to never return a baby to its mother again.

And, THAT is what I have consistently limited myself to.

I'd also point out that making 5 year olds face immigration court without representation while separated from their family is just plain unconscionable. Usually, they don't know the basis for any asylum claim or other circumstance. And, the immediate deportation that ensues further ensures the family will never be unified.

 

Well maybe you should tell them not to come here and they could avoid all that.

Just a thought.

 

No, they don't because if they wanted to solve the illegal immigrant problem they would jail the owners and CEOs of companies who hire them.
They are the CAUSE but, of course, being wealthy they will be protected...it's always easier to attack the weak and our "president" is good at both....protecting the wealthy and bullying the weak.

 

Well stated. This is exactly why this situation is so wrong.

 

And your only one....or if you had more "thoughts " you would understand that these people aren't coming here for a vacation at Disneyworld, they are fleeing horrible conditions that YOU will never have to face so it's easy, and Christian, to blow them off.

 

Here's a thought:

You can NOT justify humanitarian crime by blaming the victim.

And, here's a thought:

Coming here without documentation and then applying for asylum is a perfectly legitimate process we and other nations have had for a VERY long time.

 

Your idea about what makes a law NOT a low is just plain ridiculous.

You need some civics before you're going to do well here.

 

Coming to the USA to force horrible conditions on the US as they have endured is rather liberal economic Nazism communism of Christianity in it's megalomaniacal crusades understanding financial drain of the republic of this Christian Nation thru that suicidal sociopsychopath human farming technique of cross conditioned way beyond therapy Islam Christiananality pedophile mentalities

 

So that master plan of the master race is still just a joke to the Fourth Reich of liberal Christians......

 

Is that what that mess was !!??

 

I'd surmise you'd know better than I, just have to wait to see if that American tradition of Islam pedophilia slavery trade schizophrenia shows it's other Christian liberal personality...….

 

There is nothing liberal about Trump whatsoever.

 

I disagree with your definition. I'm a liberal, but I am as opposed to any form of totalitarian rule as you probably regard yourself as being. I'm a liberal in the vein of Washington, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and Obama. I'm liberal because I feel government has a benevolent role to play in regards to protecting and maintaining human rights & freedoms. I don't understand why you regard this as such a negative thing.

 

I'm curious what it is that your regard in a liberal that conflicts with Christianity. Please explain.

 

Interesting.
How does forcing people to buy commercial health insurance as a requirement for their residence in the US protect human rights and freedoms?
How does forcing people to sell their what crop in the open market, rather than keep it for their own and future use, protect human rights and freedoms?
How does laying unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms protect human rights and freedoms?

 

It does more than simply protect their human rights, it builds on that by opening access to medical care to every American. By requiring that every American pay a small amount, no one has to face sickness or accidental harm alone without medical help due to insufficient funds. They'll have the "right" to medical attention because we'll all be paying into a system that serves us all. It's like a national health insurance plan, which would be far superior to the get-what-you-can-afford system we have now.

How does forcing people to sell their what crop in the open market, rather than keep it for their own and future use, protect human rights and freedoms?[/QUOTE]
I'm not familiar with this issue, so cannot comment.

How does laying unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms protect human rights and freedoms?[/QUOTE]
In addition to the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution, Americans often cite the Declaration of Independence as a founding document listing rights they are committed to. The Declaration of Independence lists the right to life first and foremost. Many Americans today see literally thousands of their fellow citizens being slaughtered annually by aggressors using guns. Most of these Americans have no desire to eliminate their fellow Americans rights to have guns, but for safety purposes, believe a background check on every potential buyer to determine whether that person has a criminal record or a history of mental illness, should be a minimum requirement with every gun sale. This is not to restrict the rights of legitimate buyers & owners, but a safety net for the general population. It is unfortunate that organizations like the NRA relentlessly aggravate this issue by claiming their opposition wants to kill the 2nd Amendment. We don't. But the relentless claim that we do hurts everyone wrestling with the issue because it agitates both sides complicating a resolution.

 

You have admittedly moved past protecting rights and freedoms and into providing for them.
To do that, you have to trample on... human rights and freedoms.
Please explain your contradiction.

Indeed.
And because we have the right to life, we have the right self defense. This is why the right to keep and bear arms is protected by the constitution.
How does the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms harm anyone or place them in a condition of clear, present and imminent danger?

But it DOES restrict the rights of the law abiding; you say you seek to protect the rights and freedoms of same, but in fact you seek to trample on... rights and freedoms.
Please explain your contradiction.

 

If you aren't already aware of any liberal beliefs that conflict with Christianity then I doubt my listing them for you will help.

 

Nice avoidance maneuver, but it leaves me as clueless as to what you're saying as I was before.