Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

It's not what I want - it's simply the truth that it is Trump policy. It was a policy change he was proud of!

As for how law enforcement treats the law, there is NO body of law where we enforce all aspects all the time. That is NOT POSSIBLE. We don't have a fraction of the manpower or dollars to do that.

Obama's contribution included huge numbers of deportees at the border and the END of the growth in the number of undocumented aliens in the US!!!

That was a monumental accomplishment!

 

What laws don't we enforce?

 

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And the bible tells you to scoff at the suffering of others, especially children as YOU did?

The bible tells you to be cruel and unfeeling?


Christians don't support what's right they just support the laws?


Seems Christians support anything they LIKE.....and USE THE LAW AS AN EXCUSE...

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And I suppose they are tossing the children off cliffs to the hungry alligators also huh?

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Guess you LIKE the law that separates families and harms children....or are you fighting to change something you don't believe in?

Yes, YOU would because it isn't YOU being taken from your parents , sleeping on a concrete floor with a thin pad and an aluminum" blanket".

I sure hope you don't have kids.....



UNANSWERED QUESTIONS :
The bible tells you to be cruel and unfeeling?


Christians don't support what's right they just support the laws?



Wonder why you can't answer

 

We ALWAYS choose how to spread our limited enforcement capacity.

Again, this isn't an option.

This issue is not an excuse to perpetrate a humanitarian crime.

 

That was me scoffing at a poster, not the children.

 

There really aren't any laws we enforce in their entirety.

All traffic laws are enforced by what is really a sampling method.

We have laws against human trafficking, but we have an estimated 20,000 slaves in America, and it appears we turned over a number of minors to labor traffickers in the process of finding recipients for these deportees in foreign countries.

We put in a level of enforcement that keeps voters happy with the level of conformance to the law.

The direction on immigration is almost entirely an issue of partisan politics, not even on effectiveness. In fact, no realistic objectives are determined nor are alternative methods given air time.

 

Yeah, well there is historical precedent for that.

Just sayin'.

Never said that; but of course what I did say is the last thing you're interested in anyway.

Oh sure, the only way I racked up thousands of posts on avowedly atheist sites is by posting about Star Trek.

Hope springs eternal in the hearts of the trollishly inclined, obviously.

 

I don't recall "trying" for a quote. If I had been looking for a quote, I would have used one. I generally only use them in my sig.

I think what you were looking for was a strawman, or you were just being patronistic as a way to avoid having to actually come up with an argument.

 

You calling it "horrible" is a lie. Trump is now going to cave in to the liars on the left and fix something he didn't create, it is congress' problem to fix, and the reality is that you STILL won't be happy.

I hope this thing the left has about thinking the President is a king comes back to bite them on the ass. It's a good thing for you Trump doesn't use his pen and phone more often, but thanks for letting us know how little you care for the Constitution.

 

Projecting your anger management issues onto others again?

You interjected yourself with trolling flamebait into my response with the OP and then you got all bent out of shape when your uncivilized behavior was exposed as hypocritical in the light of your bragging claims about yourself.

Therefore your problems are entirely self inflicted.

 

WRONG!

It is 100% your beloved BLOTUS's policy and trying to shift the blame is disingenuous.

 

Well its good to know you support the indefinite detention of children instead of having a law that forces us to release them.

That is harsh man.

 

It is not me who is utterly lacking any shred of compassion and empathy for what your beloved BLOTUS and his criminal regime are doing to those innocent children.

As far as I am concerned anyone who CONDONES what he is doing to those children is EQUALLY GUILTY of Crimes Against Humanity.

This ATROCITY is actually WORSE than what happened to the Japanese-Americans in WW2.

 

Actually, Fox, we do have a problem when it comes to the Bible - which is why Marcion, a Christian Church father, and early compiler of the evolving N.T. canon (at c.100 AD when that canon was not yet finalised), rejected the Old Testament entirely for its portrayal of God.

Marcion rightly concluded that "the Prince of Peace" could in no way be identified with the OT God, or at least the God as portrayed by some of the Prophets, such as Moses (Duet. 7,2: authorises genocide "without mercy"), Joshua (Josh.10,40 "killed everything that breathed as commanded by the Lord God of Israel") and Samuel (1Samuel 15, 1-3: "Listen to the Words of the Lord: slay them all, including children and sucklings"......OMG!!!.....).

......I'm with Marcion; the OT should never have been connected to a religion whose founder preached Peace and Love, but the early Church wanted to be able to point to certain "prophetic" passages in the OT that they believed identified Jesus as the long awaited Jewish Messiah (who ironically was rejected by the Jewish religious authorities themselves, then and now), so Marcion's NT eventually came to be regarded as heresy, though I think it persisted for a couple of centuries.

Perhaps it's no surprise that Jesus, greatest of allJewish teachers fell foul of the Jewish authorities and paid the ultimate penalty. (My point of departure with Marcion: he believed that Jesus was actually God, not incarnated in human flesh, but an "apparition".....back in those days historical fact was no doubt difficult to discern from the disparate, widely dispersed written accounts).

I'll settle for the reality of Jesus as a great human teacher, also the most inspirational Jew in history - and there have been quite a few inspirational Jews in history.

Perhaps not surprising, given the Bible's history as noted above.

 

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Oh? Lie or not the horrible treatment of families and children BY the TRUMP administration SOLD.....and it wasn't a lie.....


If it was a lie then why is Trump now going to do something about it? How can he do something about something you say didn't exist?

Of course you couldn't answer my questions.


It's congress's problem to fix? Then WHY was a US Senator NOT allowed to inspect one of the facilities?

How do they "fix' something they can't even investigate?



I hope this thing the RIGHT has about thinking the President is a blameless god comes back to bite them on the ass.

 

YOUR """"
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And I suppose they are tossing the children off cliffs to the hungry alligators also huh?

lol"""""""



denigrated what these children are going through…..SCOFFING at their fear and suffering...

 

If they have to "investigate" it, how do they know there is anything going on? The answer, of course, is that there is nothing that's going on that hasn't been going on all throughout Obama's term, you have just made this your crisis du jour. Tell me something: these jokers in Washington are angling for money, power, prestige, what's in it for you, other than giving vent to your obvious bigotry?

 

GoodGAWD! The lack of reasoning is astounding in that one statement.....IF the Senator cannot SEE what is going on HOW does he KNOW what is going on?

The WORLD saw enough to raise an alarm....and give a good reason to investigate.


And ANY Senator should be able to view these facilities ,that is their JOB...good GAWD get a book on what our lawmakers are supposed to do....do you REALLY think they pass laws without investigating the issue?!?!

Just OMGAWD!

 

I think the better question would be: is it possible to embrace any political doctrine while still acting as a Christian in life? You can go to church every Sunday and say you are a Christian and yet you really aren't. I think its all how you base your life on your words and actions towards fellow mankind within the teachings of the Bible.

 

Let's set the parameters for this debate:

I replied to Anarchist 'BleedingHeartsKen'

"As for the 'state': it is not a charity; it exists, inter alia, to promote well-ordered relations between self-interested individuals, to avoid chaos".

(He replied with the usual Anarchist nonsense positing a society without Rule of Law, based on (the mythology of) 'Voluntary Agreement'....but Rule of Law has been considered essential in England since Magna Carta (signed in the 13th century). Nevertheless Ken appears to reject even the concept of Rule of Law, as inimical to individual liberty; even if not this extreme, he certainly regards law enforcement as incompatible with individual liberty; I have noted the necessity for a balance between individual liberty, and social cohesion and security.

(You appear to have jumped in somewhere, so let's continue here),

In a democracy, rule of law is established by an elected legislature and judiciary, to enable (hopefully) well-ordered functioning of society (ie a disparate group of individuals). [An aside: cor blimey, China appears to be functioning as well as any western democracy at present...but I digress...), therefore force (applied by the democratic state) is only required as a sanction against law breakers, in an environment of constitutional rule of law, and such application of force by the state cannot therefore be considered an attack on, or antithetical to, the concept of individual liberty.

Important: I'm happy to posit that law ought to be considered as a work in progress and subject to change - through democratic processes - as technology and economic circumstances change.

Further to your point about "force": I notice Trump has been forced to change his policy being advocated as recently as yesterday, by the likes of Huckabee and Haley (ie, to separate children from their families), by the sheer weight of public opinion.

So.… yes, we all have to abide by the prevailing public opinion, reflected in law. Hopefully the public opinion in evidence yesterday, as expressed by Melania Trump, that "the Law should be tempered by the Heart". will continue to drive the law to a 'better' place (I know, you have your own definition of better...see below)

As to changing the Law:

No doubt your motivation is to convince the public that "every man for himself" is the only way to guarantee personal liberty.

My passion is to convince the public that the most pressing need for a change in law, to secure personal liberty and global riches beyond calculation, will be achieved by abolishing the veto in the UNSC...I gained (unexpectedly) three (!) supporters for that proposition in another forum, yesterday....

 

From the tone of your posting I get the idea that conservatives don't do all those things. Is that right?

 

I can put names with all of those events, they were front page news. Can you do the same with famous conservatives?

 

Yes, and much worse. It's very hypocritical of you to pretend otherwise.

Okay, I'm not sure about the "nasty emails to daughter" thing, but the fact that you included such a thing is funny. If all you could get on liberals was "nasty emails to daughter", you're scraping bottom in your quest for justification to hate.

What emotional need drives your desire to be in such a constant state of poutrage? We liberals think that's no way for a human to live.

 

I'm sure I could but why would I bother?