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Really? How peaceful was it to the people in Angola and Mazambique who wanted equal rights?

 

Reasonably peaceful compared to what happened after the coup in Portugal.

Africa is a violent place.

 

They were not in anyway “reasonably peaceful”. The reasonable peaceful stance would have been to give their oppressed colonists independence and equal rights.

 

They got independence and the ensuing war cost a million lives. Portugal was maintaining a relatively peaceful state.

 

You mean the ensuing war in which they were invaded by fascist white supremacist South Africa after they had to fight to get the fascist white supremacist Portuguese to recognize their freedom and equal rights?

 

Well, it was a tad more complicated than that.

Look, Portugal was fascist. It doesn't deal in liberal notions such as "equal rights." Any state is going to suppress insurgents. That is what makes it a state. Why should any state tolerate guerrilla warfare? You just don't like fascists and want to go to war with them, even when they are minding their own business.

Portugal never attacked any other country. It qualifies as peaceful for that reason. Which is more than can be said for many liberal democracies.

 

The guerilla warfare in this case was the result of the non-peaceful and very violent fascist government of Portugal suppressing people's rights.

The Portuguese were hardly "minding their own business" in Angola and Mozambique.

 

Of course they were. They were Portuguese colonies for centuries. Angola had no more right to be independent than the Confederacy had.

 

They had a right to be equal to their Portuguese comrades. The fascist government chose to violently oppress them instead.

 

Is that you justifying a violent uprising? Kind of weird for someone who accuses a group of people of not being peaceful. Sounds like projection to me.

 

Right, people should just sit by and do nothing when they are being oppressed by a tyrannical government.

You are a British citizen and not an American, yes?

 

Force people to forsake the constitution through peaceful and non-violent means?
How stupid do you think people, besides your comrades in arms, actually are?
Or is desire driven fantasy the name of your game?

 

Non-violent decolonization is a thing and has been successful in multiple places.

But still you went straight for justifying violent decolonization.

You're in no position to condemn anyone for not being peaceful.

 

"Rights" are a liberal democratic notion, not a fascist one.

 

cannabis or psychedelic?

I only ask because in my world such a pipe dream is never driven by sober reflection of reality and probabilities.

That, and the fact I am always on the look out for enjoyable access to the place of my unbounded imagination in the hopes of further emotional and intellectual revelation.

 

The fascist Portuguese weren’t willing to decolonize nonviolently.

 

And any attempt to get fascists to recognize fights resulted in violence. Even among the Portuguese fascists.

Have we now fully disproven your lie that fascist Portugal was peaceful and nonviolent?

 

The Confederacy was fighting for it's rights, too.

I'll let our readers decide.

 

Non violent decolonization is actually a thing. I live in such a nation. It NEVER includes transfer of minorities to other jurisdictions. the closest thing to that was the India/Pakistan partition where hundreds of thousands died.

 

the right to keep black people as slaves.

 

many Hispanics in the USA who come from Cuba and Puerto Rico do indeed pass as white and sometimes are more white than many Italians and Greeks who your ilk consider to be "white".

 

I'm a reader and I have decided that the confederacy fought for the right to enslave and fascists are a pariah to freedom, liberty, civil rights, human rights and the rule of law.

 

You're both wrong.

The hyphenating of Americans was established in order to create separate interest groups to pit against each other.

 

Standard Alinsky tactic. Make the enemy live up to his own book of rules. They don’t believe in these things, but they know the other side does.

 

I think that we should wait a decade. Given that conservatives lost interest in Reagan already (his values on everything but taxes are pretty much the exact opposite than Trump. Look at his views on Russia, on gun control, on abortion (his Supreme Court Judges kept it going a quarter century after most thought it would die with Casey) on tarrifs and so on.