Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

This is complete BS - prove your claim that the Popes were speaking out against slavery almost immediately. Further - a few platitudes by a religious politician is not proof of much.

As soon as they got power the Church started persecuting people .. not just pagans but other Christians and in particular .. those evil Jews who killed Christ.

This persecution lasted for over 1000 years. It was conversion by the sword. Anyone who expressed an idea that the Church found threatening to its made up dogma was persecuted in some very nasty ways. Religious leaders presided over torture and the torture chambers were in Church basements.

If Johnny got a scrape on his knee and got an infection - after going to the local Priest who would advise a few hail Mary's which of course did not work - Johnny wold go to the local "Hag" - these women were keepers of the medical technology - passed down over the centuries .. she would give him some medicinal herb .. which of course would work.

This was an affront to the clergy who then would take this woman out and burn her as a Witch ... "in league with the devil". Hundreds of thousands of these "Hags" were slaughtered.

 

Your claim that the Church in General since gaining power in 325 AD .. and the religious right follow the Golden Rule teaching of Jesus is a falsehood.

Hopefully one day people will start to follow these teachings of Jesus.

 

dear, when we say Christians are Christian we don't mean instantly and perfectly. Is this too subtle for you?

 

are you going to stop being a liberal once you see for 124th times you are getting everything 100% backwards????

Jesus created the individual and this led to the abolition of slavery. The church extended the sacraments to all people thus leading to a ban on slavery firstly, slavery of Christians and Jews. Ephesians 6:5,8. "masters,do the same to them[slaves] and forbear threatening knowing that he who is both their master and yours is in heaven and that there is no partiality with him" Pope Callistus had himself been a slave. " a slave was baptized and thus had a soul and was a man like all others.": Slaves began to be freed. There was considerable intermarriage. In 649 Clovis married Bathilda, a slave, who used her position to help end slavery.
At end of 8th century Charlemagne opposed slavery as did the pope. Bishop Agobard: " all men are brothers all invoke one same father God: the slave and the master, the poor man and the rich man the ignorant and the learned the weak and the strong none has been raised above the other there is no slave or free, but in all things and always there is only Christ." Saint Wulfstran and St Anselm campaigned to remove the last vestages of slavery in Christendom and soon it could be said: "no man , no Christian at any rate could thereafter legitimately be held as the property of another." When slavery reemerged in the new world the church responded vigorously and a series of angry protests was issues against New World slavery but by then liberals had separated church and state so they had very little impact

 

Who is we ? What a nitty way to phrase something. Your silly claims are proven falsehods - is that to subtle for you ?

 

may be way way over your head but if Christians had not fought there would be no Christians. Christianity was born at war as Romans tried genocide against them and then as they slowly took over and embedded themselves within the Roman Empire. Now do you understand?

 

name one??? why be so afraid??

 

can you tell us what your point is? Did your handlers tell you that Christianity was an easy set of rules than anyone could easily follow at any time? Did you know that Jesus left little behind, that the religion was created by intellectual debate and war over 1000's of years and is still going on?

 

Nonsense and in regard to human and the so call population bomb that nightmare is in our rear view mirror.

Most if not all advance nations are now at roughly or below replacement levels and in fact without new people moving into the US we would be below replacement level an our population on average would be growing ever older.

 

What does what a quote from Ephesians have to do with your claim that the Popes - "from the beginning" as in after they got power in 325 condemned slavery.

Nice that there was one Pope in 649 - who happened to have been a slave, which explains everything - argued against slavery. What a bad example given this guy was acting out of his personal experience rather than the teachings of Jesus. What about the others ?

Good that the Pope went along with Charlemagne .. nice political move. I see no evidence of "all the popes" speaking out against slavery as you claim. If this were the case why was there still slavery in Christendom .. 500 years after the Church got power .. and for more than 1000 years after ?

The British, Spanish and French "Christian Empires" were massive slavers.

In a span of 1500 years you are bound to have a few good people that thought slavery was nasty. This has zero to do with Christianity as a whole and everything to do with the good in a few individuals. Slavery was abolished in China in 1910 .. what did this have to do with Christianity = ZERO

Japan abolished slavery around 1600 centuries prior to Christian nations.. what did this have to do with Christianity = ZERO

 

Understand what .. nothing you said in this post has anything to do with the post you were responding to.

What does any of your post have to do with Christians killing other Christians ? ... and persecution of Jews... and how is this following the Golden Rule ?

You are starting to spout gibberish.

 

yes thanks to God's morality we have worked it out and and don't cast our parents out to die in the dessert alone and call it animal morality. Do you understand that you defeated yourself?

 

I just named a bunch of them. What a joke.

1) All liberals are anti semitic and anti Christianity FALSE and FALSE
2) Christianity was responsible for promoting the Golden Rule since inception - False and abject nonsense given the Church was a complete anathema to the teachings of Jesus in relation to the Golden Rule.

 

What strange websites are you getting this nonsense for slavery ended roughly two thousands repeat two thousands years after the claim lifetime of Jesus an was the outgrowth of the industry revolution not religion faiths.

Hell you only need to go back a few hundred years to find slave armies of all things.

Suggest you get some history books.

 

you said Christians kill so Christians are evil so then I had to teach you
if Christians had not fought there would be no Christians. Christianity was born at war as Romans tried genocide against them and then as they slowly took over and embedded themselves within the Roman Empire. Now do you understand?

 

bad english can re write this so it makes sense

 

Dude - Buddha was teaching the concept of Sila - that all living entities are equal - 400 years before Jesus found his way out of the manger. Sorry.

 

if I disagreed I"ll pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know what a strawman is?

 

If I disagreed I'll pay you $10,000. Bet? Do you know what a strawman is?

 

The point is that your claim that Christianity was responsible for promoting the Golden Rule is abject nonsense.

The second point is that when presented with information that conflicts with your made up silliness you run to the playground and stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.

The third point is that even to this day the fundamentalist Christians are clueless in relation to the main teachings of Jesus (which were based on the Golden Rule) and certainly do not follow them. This is in part due to the evil doctrine started by Paul and promoted by Pauline Christians and codified by Martin Luther "Sola Fide" - salvation by faith alone - no good deeds required. Do all the evil you like and still get into heavy by crying "Jesus Jesus".

 

LOL work it out by using technology such as birth control that had been condemn by the Catholic church!!!!!!!

 

Yet as soon as they were in power, Christians went to war against each other. The Papal wars in Italy. The wars between Spain, England and France. The Holy Roman Emperor, Napoleon marching across Europe. Twice. Christians going to war against Christians in the First World War. The Second World War. The Spanish American War. The American Revolution. The American Civil War. And many others ... too many to mention.

 

I did not say "Christians kill so Christians are evil" nor did I infer this. Just because you have no response to what I actually said - is no excuse to put words into my mouth Mr. Strawman.

After Christians got power in 325 AD there was no "Genocide" tried against them by Romans. You are making up stuff and avoiding addressing the points made.

 

Do YOU know what a Straw Man argument is?

You just claimed that Jesus created the concept of the individual and that led to the abolition of slavery. But Greek philosophers and Buddhist had been
contemplated the role of the individual for hundreds of years prior. It's hardly a straw man to argue against your claim.

 

If you don't disagree then why have you claimed that Christianity was responsible for ending slavery (patent nonsense to begin with given the history of slavery).

You also claimed that Jesus invented the Golden Rule - also patent nonsense given that Buddha had that one covered as well.