Did anybody change their mind today?

You and your extreme left-wing ilk are NOT patriots.

 

Like most real Americans, my low opinion of Trump is lower than ever.

 

No I don't think he has a grand strategy. I think he is trying to see if the two sides can have better relations. Did you get as upset when Hillary brought her little toy to the Russians to reset relations with them? Noooo, I bet you didn't say a thing about that. That was the Democrats trying to make better relations, not Trump.

You say, "His biggest wet dream is reclaiming all the lost territory of the USSR." You do realize we have a lot of those countries in NATO now don't you? If Russia attacks one, we are bound to defend it. Now why in the world we we want to have better relations with Russia in hopes of not getting caught up in WWIII? Maybe you should have spent some time in the service to broaden your mind.

 

Those right wingers who appease America's enemies are also America's enemies.

 

What absolute and utter drivel. It's this sort of mindless and arrogant hatred without any proof whatsoever to justify it, that makes me fear for future of mankind.

 

You have been reading too many Facebook troll posts mate!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...-the-bad-hombres-of-texas-queensland/10005054

 

Why did Hillary take her little toy to the Russians in hopes of resetting relations with them? Did you have a problem with that? I bet not, that was a Democrat doing it. We have two different rules of conduct for the same offenses don't we? If your side does it, fine. If my side does it, it's totally wrong.

Don't doubt Trump's patriotism. He is more so than the whole leadership of the Democratic Party. You won't see Trump trying to give the country away with open borders. He believes in fair trade for America, not one way trade. He believe in putting America first, not last like the Democrats. You don't have anyone in the leadership of the Democratic Party that even comes close to him with patriotism.

 

Well if you think trumps performance was patriotic, you got one helluva definition. Doubt many would agree bending over on the world stage was trump being patriotic.

 

All this analyzing of which leader got the better of the other in Helsinkii is pathetic, truly pathetic.

 

Again I ask you, why didn't you have a problem with Hillary trying to reset relations with Russia? Were she and Obama out of their mind? They did it, even had him push the reset button on their relations. But as I said, you don't complain about that and Putin was in charge just as he is now. How did Putin play Obama? Why is it you only can look at one side of the coin?

 

I explained before why he said what he did. No it wasn't patriotic. But between Trump and Obama, Only Trump stood up to the Russians even under the threat of war. That mouse Obama sure didn't.

 

Yes better relations. But lets examine what wanting better relations with russia has gotten to. He invaded georgia, he annex crimea, he invaded Syria, he invaded Ukraine, he has waged a campaign of social and political disruption around the world, he has murdered his opposition. AND he has directly attacked America with his military. And every president has expressed the desire to reset the relationship and every time Putin as welcomed the effort and continued his nefarious ways.

But now TRUMP is the CinC. And he has determined that America was stupid in the past which created the bad relations. Oh yeah the worst in history - cuban missile crisis and the entire cold war notwithstanding.

Yes, you see, those former soviet satellites were also recognized as sovereign european nations before and after the USSR. So they were invited into NATO so they wouldn't be under the Russian thumb any more. Odd that desire, eh?

And as for the notion of ww3. Get serious. Putin isn't going to war with America. NO way No how. Its a totally lose lose proposition.
Before "war", there are tons of other things that can be done. Especially thru the other two levers of American power projection diplomacy and trade. This "Oh I;m saving the world from ww3" bullshit is exactly that from Trump and his allies. I lived thru the cuban missile crisis and this ain't no cuban missile crisis.

 

Jonsa is so obviously an anti-Trump troll, and probably works in a DNC PR department somewhere.

That's in connection to post 160.

 

Oh bullshit. without proof? Apparently you haven't been paying attention.

 

I am definitely anti-trump. But I don't have to troll. I merely have to tell people like you the truth and they go apeshit. It appears as tho your only responses fallacious kneejerk bullshit long on snowflake outrage and damn short of substance.

that's in connection with post post 163.

 

I too lived through the Cuban missile crises. I had gotten out of the Marines just months before that happen and could have been called back if it got worse.

No Putin doesn't want to go to war and neither does Trump. But it could happen. Especially with having so many ex Soviet countries now in NATO. I don't care what you say, Trump is right to try and make better relations with Russia, as he is with China. There could be another explosive situation if China decides to block off around her new man made islands in the China sea or thinks it's time yo haul Taiwan back into the fold. Trying to make peace or better relations is always better than constant conflict. I'm sorry your so short sighted you can't see that.

 

Saw an interview where a couple people did change their views from positive to negative and I suspect that many others did but I doubt that it had much of if any negative effect upon Trump's popularity polling numbers. I may be wrong though.

 

The truth as you see it Jonsa, not as many others do. I think your out in left field in much of your thinking. Maybe it's because of your haterid and bias against Trump that you can't see the whole picture.

 

I support efforts to promote peace. I do not believe those efforts should amount to appeasement to murderous dictators like Putin. I do not believe that his disgraceful performance was in the interests of America or the world in doing so. He gave Putin a huge win immediately after he dealt Nato a huge rather personal blow. Sorry, but I simply can't accept he isn't motivated by Putin's power over him.

Just stop for a moment and consider that Trump has continually lied and denied russian interference or any association with russians despite the facts. Why? then view his disgraceful performance with Putin with the modicum of skepticism that unaswered question must create.

I don't think he's motivated by world peace. i think its something entirely more personal and sinister.

 

That's bull crap. I told you why that happened and I showed you three different times Trump went against Russia when Obama wouldn't. The only one who has appeased Russia is Obama. But your like a lot of the rest of the Liberals out there, you have something to hang on and your not about to give it up.

 

You cannot keep ascribing hatred and bias to criticism of your ideology or opinion and maintain anything remotely close to intellectual integrity. I understand the need to understand how anyone cannot see and believe what you do.

I do see the whole picture and that is the issue. I see America's position in the world slipping badly. I see America's president for what he is.

You cannot deny he is a serial liar.
You cannot deny he is a bully.
You cannot deny he is lazy.
You cannot deny he doesn't hire the best people
You cannot deny he is bigoted.

Those are stone cold hard facts, backed up by mountains of hard evidence. That isn't hate, that is realism.

 

Except that is how things operate on the world stage. Sorry trump and those in trumpland don't know that but then again, dunning kruger is endemic in that part of the woods.

 

I'm sorry, but you didn't. When did trump go against russia when obama wouldn't? Obama imposed sanctions. Obama expelled russians, Obama launched the IC investigation that started the whole "russia thing". Those are facts.

You are now simply digging your heels in. Your mischaracterization of what Obama did is nothing more than whataboutery. It has no substance, its just a bumpersticker and completely non factual.

But I do get how its impossible to NOT engage in whataboutery. Its impossible to deal in facts. All you can do is counter with fallacy and expressions of your own hatred of liberals.

 

Nope, don't deny he lies. but his lies wasn't like Obama's We were suppose to get cheaper insurance instead it cost me well over twelve hundred a year more.

Nope, he is a bully, that's the only way he can get some things done. Countries are finally paying more into NATO, something Bush or Obama couldn't do. He has finally getting the VA straitened out. Another thing Bush and Obama couldn't do. Seems he had to fire 500 to get it done though. He has had some cities change and will no longer be a sanctuary city. Something they wouldn't have done if Trump hadn't said he is cutting aid to those who do. Yes he is being a bully. We have to wait and see if it works with trade.

Lazy, that is one thing he is not. Don't know where you ever came up with that.

He tried to hire some of the smartest business people he knew and some of the top military men he knew. It didn't work out with some and some didn't agree with Trump so yes there has been a bigger than normal turnover.

Yes I can deny he is bigoted. Three out of these 5 are Blacks and Jews.


http://stumpinfortrump.com/2016/04/...veal-donald-trump-just-celebrity-personality/

 

Apart from a post or two on Science I've only ever seen anti-Trump posts from you, so that makes you a troll in my book. Or maybe a spammer - I've never been sure which it is, when someone keeps posting on the same subject ad nauseam.