After all the CRAP, Did Obama Just Admit He is From Kenya???

Right above you.. Here it is again.

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html


On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” - Harvard Law Review


On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen ... children born abroad of a citizen parent were citizensfrom the moment of birth, and thus are “natural born Citizens. ...

https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/

 

So it’s not in the statute itself, it has been assumed by legal doctrine. Of course I will defer to the Harvard Law Review and stand corrected. Thank you.

 

Fortunately for our country, the Harvard Law Review is not the creator or the arbiter of US Citizenship. That role was left to the founders of our country, the common law of that period, the Congress, and to the Supreme Court; none of which define "natural born citizen" as anything but "born on US soil to citizen parents".

 

The Constitution authorizes only Congress, not any of the other entities you listed:

The Congress shall have Power ...

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

Article I Section 8 Clause 4

That's not true. None of the above entities, not even Congress or any federal statute has ever made that the clear case. It is strictly an assumption that I also assumed. But it is also assumed by the federal government as described by the Harvard Law Review.

 

Ah yes. The "Kenyan" race.

 

That doesn't matter. What matters is the acceptance of that definition by the Framers and Ratifiers, for which you've provided only the flimsiest of evidence.

For someone who writes with such confidence, you show precious little inclination to drill down into any of your cited cases...

...but as for me, I'm gonna drill down even more. As far as I can tell from skimming over Venus, the distinction between natural born and any other type of citizen is utterly irrelevant to the holding. In the other three cases, the question of citizenship was resolved in the affirmative as to the persons in question - which tells us nothing about the validity of your definition. What's needed, at minimum, is a case in which someone was found not to be a citizen for failure to conform to your definition. Perhaps WKA could fill the bill if 14A were factored out of it, except that neither parent was a citizen.

So those cases are pretty much worthless for your purposes.

Two citizens go abroad, immediately conceive a child, and return with the infant a year later to stay. Two other citizens bear a child on US soil, go abroad with him at age 1, and stay abroad 15 years. Which child is more subject to foreign influence?

There's more to the puzzle than you're looking at.

You've given me nothing to embrace, other than repeated assurances accompanied by hand-waving.

Figure that authorizes Congress to define natural born citizenship, do you?

 

NO most aren’t smart...that’s why trump says he loves the uneducated. I bet you didn’t even know that obama had higher quarters than trump did FOUR TIMES...but he tells his base he did the best and they’re stupid enough to believe him, if they were intelligent they would be insulted by the blatant lies he tells them. I bet you think you also,got the biggest tax cut ever..lol. Trump sure knows his base

 

I knew it....it’s a conspiracy....did you show this to those who want to discredit obama? Wow, you must be smarter than the intel and congress etc...or maybe just gullible lol. Trump sure knows his base

 

Honestly, Conservatives... KNOCK THIS **** OFF.

Liberals look horrible if we just leave them alone and allow them to talk, but then you jackasses on our side get into Kenya, which doesn't mean **** and screw it all up for our side. Honestly, just stop.

 

He's just a liar. Whatever makes your leg tingle.
I never believed he was born in Kenya, and I never believed the Kenyan guy who married his mother to get a green card was actually his father.

 

LOLOL.. So what? He looks like his mother.
Don't tell me you are still a birther.

 

The Constitution only authorizes Congress to establish a uniform rule of naturalization, period, it's exactly what it says in Article I Section 8.

 

To clarify, the discussion I'm addressing is the discussion on "natural born citizen", which is a clause of the US Constitution; a clause which the US Congress has no authority over, since it can only be changed by Constitutional Amendment.

To understand the intent of a Constitutional clause, one has to study the intent of the founding fathers who developed the clause; such as John Jay, in his letter to George Washington. One has to study the common law of the time, which is what framed the nomenclature of the founding fathers; since no Congress had even been convened until a couple of years after the Constitution was ratified.

But as you rightly point out, the authority that was given to Congress was the authority "to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization". However, the US Code that now establishes the "uniform rule of naturalization" is a far stone throw away from the constitutional definition of a "natural born citizen". It is an ever changing code, of ever changing proportions. But a constitutional clause, unless changed by a constitutional amendment, remains fixed from one generation to the next.

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

- Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, in 1875, ruling on Minor v. Happersett
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Hence, the definition for "natural-born citizen" that applied in 1789, and in 1875, is the same definition that applies today; "born on US soil to citizen parents".

 

The statutes define the terms and legal theory laid out in the Constitution. The naysayers just don't have much education.

 

Interesting pic. If I was that guy and my wife told me Barak was my son I'd be pretty suspicious

 

No, Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya. When I say I'm from X, it can mean that this was the last place I lived or that this is the place my family came from. It doesn't necessarily mean I was born there.

 

Delusions.

 

Then why did his father refused to produce a kenyan long form birth certificate ?

Obama's father was probably born in Ethiopia not Kenya.

 

A. When was he asked to produce one?

B. Kenya was a British colony when Obama's father was born.

 

I just dropped in to see how the birther circle jerk was going, operating under the idiotic fig leaf that this is a "theoretical" discussion.

 

Kenya, Ethiopia, that entire part of Africa is overcrowded with Marxist and jihadist.

 

Obama's father died in 1982.. and he and Anne Dunham were divorced about 1963. His father was born in British East Africa (Kenya)... His grandfather was Catholic and converted to Islam later in his life. The family was from Western Kenya.

 

Used to be British........

 

LOLOL.. Obama's father didn't need a Green Card. He was in the US on a student visa.. .. and went to Harvard.. Smart guy no doubt. Do you know what a student visa is?

 

Obama's Marxist father was a visa overstayer which would mean that Barack Obama is an anchor baby.