Breaking - Gunman opens fire during college event at California bar - At Least 12 Dead

According to the ATF, registration of firearms does nothing to prevent the straw purchase and sale of firearms. The sheer number of firearms they have traced back to the state of California is evidence of such, as each of those firearms was registered to the legal buyer at the time of the sale.

 

And if they choose to report the firearm as stolen after committing an illegal sale, what then? How will the registration process serve to prevent what is so easy to commit, and so impossible to prove?

 

Thus proving registration is useless.

Which ATF can examine with a warrant.

Factually incorrect. Sales records have to be maintained for a period of no less than twenty years according to federal law. If a federally licensed firearms dealer goes out of business, they must send the records to the ATF so they can be stored for whatever remains of the twenty year period.

 

Oh, but registration will reduce the number of guns on the black market!
Yup!
Sure will!

 

You asked this same question and I answered it on the previous page.

 

The form information is discarded as with background check info. Sales records are kept at seller.

 

What is the legal premise under which one must register with either the state or federal government as a legal requirement necessary prior to them being able to legally exercise a constitutional right? What if government refuses to allow the registration to proceed?

 

That's what he said.

 

Which the ATF can gain access to with a warrant when it is determined which federally licensed firearms dealer received a firearm with the serial number in question.

 

I asked innumerable times for you to describe the mechanism through which registration will reduce the number of gun on the back market - you have yet to deliver.

 

So you found a thread that said it's "sad that Kate Steinle's killer gets found innocent when a cop who shoots a fleeing suspect gets 20 years" is, in your mind a defense of the cop?

Try some critical thinking.

Also, proceed to READ THE THREAD.

All you've done is prove me right.

 

You are being trolled

 

I would have guessed LA County myself.

 

The majority of the students that were killed were killed by the shooters' shotguns, anyway.

 

I didn't see any stats, I just saw regurgitation of leftist talking points.

Your "stats" are dumb just on the surface. You don't even have to scratch below the surface to see how dumb they are.

First of all, there are at least 80 times more "white" people than muslims who have immigrated to the US.

Despite that, Muslims in the US have still killed more people in terror attacks and that DOESN'T even include 9/11. Add that and it blows your ridiculous narrative out of the water.

So when you start spouting off fake stats maybe you should take the time to at least verify them.

Even Politifact refutes your nonsense.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/

The think tank New America has compiled information on terrorist activities in the United States after 9/11. It details data on deadly attacks by ideology up to the Aug. 12, 2017 Charlottesville attack.
Here’s their breakdown on the number of deaths caused by individuals of different ideologies: 95 by jihadist, 68 by far-right, and eight by black separatist/national/supremacist.

 

Glad to hear you think people being murdered is not a problem. Some might disagree.

 

Glad to watch you try to hide behind a logical fallacy.

 

Go ahead any list any post where I advocated banning all guns. Of course if you can't you stand as a liar. Up to you.

 

Don't hold your breath

 

For every firearm used to commit murder yesterday, 16,000,000 were not.

 

Another person who doesn't understand the word " nationwide" Amazing!

 

" An ammunition clip is a device used to store individual rounds of ammunition together as a single unit that is then ready for insertion into the magazine of a gun. ... For rifles with an internal magazine, the clip loads the bullets into the firearm itself (see image below)."

Well Dang!

 

Perhaps you should try critical thinking for a change! There was even a deadlock verdict for a start.

And here is another thread : http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ter-scott-in-south-ca.486904/#post-1066884994. Took all of another 10 seconds to find

Here is post 6 : So the whole stop or I'll shoot thing is just for show. If you can't shoot a running suspect what will stop anyone from running? Seems like a get out of jail free card. I don't like the chance of an innocent bystander getting shot by accident though.


We also have this post "This guy was a relative angel, he had only been arrested about ten times."

We also have this post: "Even though it is clear that after fleeing the scene in order to not be confronted by the officer, then once stopped again assaulting the officer knocking the non-lethal force the officer was attempting to use to try and escape again? Would it be unreasonable for the officer to assume the person has some serious reasons to be trying to flee a police officer to the extent he is willing to risk some jail time for the resiting and assault? The officer had not searched him, he did not know if the suspect was unarmed when he turned to run the officer could no longer effectively see his hands."

So you're wrong again. So many defending the officer

 

The FBI report indicates the number that have been "diagnosed" with mental illness. The current shooter that caused the start of this thread was not "diagnosed", but would you argue that he didn't have mental issues. Law Enforcement officials "believe" he may be suffering from PTSD, but no one has confirmed that.

Mental health issues are still a huge stigma in the US so many go undiagnosed. https://www.unityrehab.com/blog/mental-illness-undiagnosed-untreated/

Given the actions leading up to many shootings and information from family, friends, and neighbors of many mass shooters there was likely an undiagnosed mental health issue in many, but since they are dead.....they can't be diagnosed.

 

And your solution is?