Breaking - Gunman opens fire during college event at California bar - At Least 12 Dead

No reasonable person could extract that from my post. If something failed on a smaller scale, what good does going "nation wide" do? I open the discussion to solutions and you come up with weaker versions of the gun laws that exist where this tragedy occurred, followed by a cheap shot.

As long as people like you are willing to personally attack others looking to discuss solutions, the problem will persist.

 

Absolutly right. All you can do is limit the tools available to commit the carnage. There is a reason it is really hard to buy fully automatic weapons, grenade launchers, etc,etc.

 

Sure, I'll try some critical thinking for you.

My mistake on post #6. I was reading the OP.

Your points are IN GENERAL questions regarding shooting a fleeing felon. Which is, by the way, completely lawful if the suspect is armed, wanted for a felony warrant, or represents a clear danger to others. It does not in any way defend what happened in that specific case.

Please proceed with your extremely weak attempts to suggest that PF members supported that particular police officer shooting that particular person in that particular scenario.

 

When you respond to my post talking about nationwide laws with a discussion that California laws didn't prevent the problem it is either you don't understand the word " nationwide" or you are trying to duck the issue. My bet is the former.

 

My guess is massive fines and mandatory imprisonment for an unregistered gun would do the trick as well as a big bounty for turning in someone in posession of an unregistered gun. If not we just chop off the trigger finger in addition to the above.

 

A law. Gun registries are lawful and Constitutional. Some states already have them. Even the federal government has one for fully automatics.

Your 2nd question is therefore meaningless.

 

Post 6 is from Pred - I gave you the post contents. You did not bother to read the thread - there are many posts defending the action of the officer. You are wrong again

 

Oh, do we have to register guns now? When did that law get passed?

The penalty for "felon in possession of a firearm" is currently 10 years. What should it be?

 

Nope. The arguement that one represents the totality is logically incorrect.

 

Yes I already edited my post. My mistake, I was reading his OP.

Regardless, what you have are generic examples of police shooting fleeing suspects.

Shooting a fleeing suspect is not illegal in many circumstances.

None of your "examples" deal with the specific case, and NONE of them show ANYONE defending that particular police officer in that particular shooting.

 

When was gun registration upheld by the USSC?

 

Yeah because you couldn't just ignore the law or anything, or carry more magazines, or make your own magazines or anything.

 

Congradulations. That says a lot about the America the advocats of unrestricted gun access has created.

 

Bluesguy posted this "Try to focus...........THIS suspect"

 

We can buy guns now without criminal background checks?

How did I miss all these new gun laws being passed?

 

So this:

The officer had not searched him, he did not know if the suspect was unarmed when he turned to run the officer could no longer effectively see his hands.

Means he supports the guy being shot?

So you skimmed past things like this

To try to prove your point with that?

You're still failing.

 

Sorry but that has nothing to do with the lack of logic behind your argument. It is kind of like saying that because the motive for the Los Vegas shooting is still an unknown a laws restricting gun access to the mentally insane wouldn't stop any killings.

 

Yes you can. Are you really that uninformed.

 

Oh there's a great example of logic right there.

What mental illness did the Las Vegas shooter have in his background that would have precluded him legally purchasing a firearm?

 

Was it illegal in CA for these two to buy firearms from their neighbor?

 

So you agree with Bluesguy that any fleeing suspect can be shot in the back because you don't know if he is armed or not. Is that what you are now saying which means the officer was justified in shooting the fleeing suspect?

And why would I care what Channe wrote when proving to you that some defended the officer

 

As a country we need to start addressing the mental health of our population and not viewing it as a stigma. The Stoneman Douglas shooter had a long history of issues that people refused to diagnose. The shooter that caused this thread was examined and found to be okay, but now officials believe he may have been suffering from PTSD.

Is it all mental health.....I don't know. Does a person that feels alone, with no friends and seeking attention that acts out have a mental health problem? Not sure that is a diagnosable problem, but it needs to be addressed. There is a phenomenon were people become killers to become (in)famous. What drives a person to do this, and is it a diagnosable mental health problem?

There are many studies that indicate not having a father has a significant affect on kids. More and more studies are finding that some social media is having an adverse effect on people....especially the young.

There are many indicators that we as a country are having a problem and will likely have more problems if they are not addressed. Some of this will require hard choices. If it is found that excessive social media usage can have a detrimental effect on a person.....medicate the person or correct social media? Both are hard choices that need to be made.

 

@Bluesguy was asking questions and making valid points. He never mentioned that particular police officer or that particular victim.

And yes, sometimes you need to shoot a fleeing suspect so that they don't kill anyone else.

 

How is writing "Try to focus...........THIS suspect" not mentioning that particular police officer or that particular victim!

 

Actually, he said "the". Not "this".

Are you using the "Bill Clinton maneuver" here?