French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. alexa

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    Just to be clear, not everybody believes it is worth wasting their time on those who provide Stormfront type sources - David Duke for instance, and who refuse to acknowledge genuine historians as well as time and again illustrating their total lack of knowledge, deliberate or otherwise on anything surrounding the subject and if I am a Hasbara agent well there is one I never saw coming and if anyone believes it is only Jews who are Zionists who know about the holocaust, well there is another I never saw coming.
     
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    Are you in this discussion or are you out?

    In your Post # 473, you stated: " I do not care enough about you to argue with you." and I can assure that the feeling is mutual.
    However, in this open Post you falsely accuse those of us who reject the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) of using "Stormfront type sources- David Duke for instance..."

    Just as you are entirely unable to support your other false assertions, I dare you to show where I have ever used either David Duke or "Stormfront type" sources.
    Please note that just because a source refutes the mythical SHN, that does not make it a "Stormfront type" source.

    If you really expect to have the unique privilege of repeatedly slandering others with your usual unsupportable falsehoods and not have them challenged, you have no business posting open comments in an open forum.
     
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    You mentioned the various types of people who were incarcerated in Germany's WW2 work camps after allowing Jews to go to Palestine under the Haavara Agreement became impossible due to the outbreak of WW2. I feel that it is noteworthy that it was the German Zionist Federation that blocked Germany's Jews from going to other countries willing to accept them.
    The primary motive of the GZF was to populate Palestine, not to help Jews leave Germany.

    I know that the inmates were comprised of people who were considered threats to national security as well as Germany's normal criminal population.
    I strongly suspect that the declaration of war on Germany by "Judea", or the world's Jewish community strongly inflamed anti Jewish sentiment and contributed to considering Germany's Jews as threats to national security just as many of America's Japanese citizens were interred for the same reason.

    I don't know if Germany resupplied money embezzled by the Jewish Claims Conference twice or not but I am aware that the Collections branch of the Holocaust Industry (The Jewish Claims Conference) has managed to extract $ Billions from countries other than Germany such as the US, France, Switzerland, Austria and many more.(1), (2).
    In spite of egregious fraud in the Jewish Claims Conference, Germany continues to pay out even more money(3).

    Re:
    I can only assume that Hasbara agents and others who believe all of the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) have dropped out for the same reason that "Holocaust Denial" aka free speech, is illegal in 14 alleged democracies.
    That reason is simply because they cannot refute the simple facts that make the SHN impossible.

    Thanks






    (1) "Holocaust Restitution: Compensation & Restitution, by Country"
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/holocaust-compensation-and-restitution-by-country


    (2) "Holocaust Restitution: A Dubious, Fraud-Filled Enterprise Unworthy of the Support of a US President"
    https://stopacthr1226.org/holocaust...se-unworthy-of-the-support-of-a-us-president/

    Claims Conference squanders tens of millions of dollars each year on organizations having little to do with the Holocaust or its survivors

    EXCERPT "First Class flights around the world, accommodation at deluxe hotels, dining at fancy restaurants and a series of credit cards, this is how the Claims Conference, which deals with restitution of Jewish property from the Holocaust, operates.

    Claims Conference is the biggest Jewish claims organization in the world. It represents the Jews in negotiating for compensation and restitution for victims of Nazi German persecution. It also administers compensation funds, recovers unclaimed Jewish property, and allocates funds to institutions that provide social welfare services to Holocaust survivors. At first glance, a noble mission – but is that really the case?"CONTINUED


    (3) "Germany to Pay Additional $88 Million to Holocaust Survivors"
    http://jewishexponent.com/2018/07/12/germany-to-pay-additional-88-million-to-holocaust-survivors/

     
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    Your baiting got to me. This is probably one of the most gross threads I have ever seen apart from at Stormfront. Basically leave you to it. You have made it quite clear to the forum where you are.


    As above, your regurgitation of denier sites with absolutely no sign of any thinking does not require debate. You speak for yourself. What Jazz was saying about others though I thought needed a reply, just so you know for ever that I know where you come from and there is no way back.

    and as for Jazz's pretence to be a Palestinian supporter when she believes Khaled Mashall comes from Iran

    No false about it. As usual you do not know what you are talking about.
    ......

    Grau, you are the person who has been doing this to me in this thread. Your lack of self knowledge is breathtaking. Mind you I had not known the bully in you till this thread. Every now and then we do find one or two who fit the cliche. This thread shows that.
     
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    Please don't pretend to know anything about me as you are clearly clueless as to my "self knowledge" or being a "bully".
    If you & your beliefs are too fragile to withstand a civil exchange & open discussion perhaps you should examine both more closely.

    It was your choice to participate in this thread just as it was your choice to insult me & others who do not believe the entire standard holocaust narrative.

    Re:
    Doing what?
    I have only requested that you support your insults, slander & delusional beliefs but you have been entirely unable to do so. Your delusions of persecution are as far removed from reality as the fictional assertions you have made throughout this thread.

    If you find this thread distasteful and your assertions unsupportable, you are entirely free to drop out with my best wishes.
     
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    Nazi scumbag should have died many years sooner
     
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    "HATE FILLED HOLOCAUSTIANS


    Why do people who believe the entire standard holocaust narrative (SHN) have such a burning hatred toward a man just because he succeeded in exposing the fraudulence of a narrative so fragile that it requires totalitarian censorship laws to ensure its survival & perpetration?

    Faurisson was already beaten by thuggish JDL terrorists who more closely resemble the infamous "Brownshirts" than the billions(1) of independent thinkers who have the courage, intelligence & integrity to reject the fraudulent SHN in the face of State persecution and hate filled slander.

    Why so much anger & hatred?



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    It is true. You prove it by yourself. You say that "'...an incredible amount of witnesses...' means that 6 million could not have been exterminated". But "Incredible amount" doesn't mean the magic number of 6 million.

    HC deniers often stiffen to 6 million, but why? Did they read it anywhere? In fact, the overall number of Jewish NS victims can only be estimated nearly 6 million. One half of them were gassed, the other half was shot or starved to death.

    Why do HC deniers claim that exactly 6,000,000 people were gassed? Because it's easier to refute! "Oh, the Nazis only gassed 3 million, therefore the HC never happened!", LOL
     
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    I simply think for myself and therefore I can't follow the false claims of the HC denier community.

    I'm German. I'd wish for my people that the HC never happened. But I'll never believe in
    implausible lies.
    The Holocaust did happen. It's better for all of us, to deal with the truth, than trying to hide it.
     
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    Do you mean this photo?
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    Illustration 25a and b: Left the original, right the forgery of the Simon Wiesenthal Center: Smoke coming out of a fence post.

    Another obvious one even I can detect is of a German soldier supposedly shooting a Polish prisoner. We see the soldier without glasses and then we see him with glasses!!
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    And then there is one photo very close where I live, Hamburg...
    Illustration 5a: Retouched photograph, captioned "transports into ghettos and extermination camps", in H. Eschwege, Kennzeichen J, Berlin: Deutscher Verlag der Wissenschaften, 1981.
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    Illustration 5b: The original photo of the Federal Railway Administration. Its caption: "Freight trains full of refugees, 1946. Crowded freight train bound for the Ruhr region. Background, double-decker train to Lübeck."

    Look through the article and see how much more there is revealed:
    Do Photographs Prove the NS Extermination of the Jews?
    UDO WALENDY

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcffor.html
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    We have a saying in German: "Wer einmal luegt dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht!"
    "Anyone who ever lies you can't trust, even if he speaks the truth! "



     
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    Errors in research can't refute the Holocaust.
    HC deniers want to make us believe that if something is wrong all is wrong.
    A simple trick to confuse people. Professional HC deniers like Walendy are liars and cheaters.
     
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    Sorry, if I made a mistake with that Khaled Mashall guy. Somehow I must have miscopied his nationality, or maybe I mistook the flag for an Iranian one.
    Please, calm done... nobody got killed!
     
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    cremation ovens, lots of them.

    or did you forget?
     
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    1) I have done searches for him denying the Holocaust and you are the only person I can find saying this.
    2) That's just my thing. He is a Palestinian, Head of Hamas from 2004-17. Israel tried to assassinate him in 1997. What I discovered some time ago was that when someone supported the Palestinians but were against Muslims, their reason for supporting the Palestinians was generally anti Jew rather than humanitarian concern and seeking justice. I have noticed you having a go at Muslims.
     
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    Good grief! It is not me saying it, it came from a website. Don't you look beyond the tip of your nose?
    But... I don't favor anybody, nor Mashall nor Muslims... I accept them all. The Palestinians at large, yes, I am on their side because they get treated so shabby and they suffer a great deal for no fault of their own.
    Muslims in general are fine with me. They haven't done any crimes, but for some stupid reason the USA has it in for them, especially torturing them for no valid reason! Killing their leaders and destroying their countries and looting their resources as well. That's all the US and the West is doing. Of course Israel is going right along with that.
    Interpret that as you like, I don't give a damn!
     
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    You provided it. I take it it is was the same one which said 'and David Duke of course'. This clearly is the kind of site you believe you can trust. I did a search. Nothing returned to me anything about Khaled Maashal denying the holocaust. I would imagine your site given its support for David Duke is a WN site.


    OK here are some of the posts I am speaking of. You started this thread


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ects-the-massive-arrival-of-jihadists.543747/

    This is you by post 6 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-arrival-of-jihadists.543747/#post-1069751064
    being liked by WN's


    Then there is this thread you started

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/violence-in-chemnitz-saxonia-germany.541250/

    There are other.
     
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    Was your closing "LOL" really necessary?

    For years I have hoped to engage in a civil, mature & honest discussion with someone who believes the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) and who does not retreat into snarky comments, evasions, insults & distortions but have been unable find such an individual until we began this civil exchange.

    I want very much for our discussion to remain civil & productive because I want to understand why some people are willing to believe impossible things with the absence of any hard evidence like just one homicidal gas chamber, photo, drawing, blueprint etc of the hundreds or thousands that would have been needed to exterminate " millions of people".

    Earlier standard holocaust narratives asserted that inmates were exterminated in homicidal "steam chambers" because of extensive eyewitness testimony. Next, the SHN was that inmates were killed in "electrocution chambers" but when that proved to be an impossibility, the SHN shifted yet again to "homicidal gas chambers".
    Which are we to believe?

    Think about the fact that not one real homicidal gas chamber, blueprint, drawing, photo etc has been found in the "mountains of evidence" & "reams of documents" we repeatedly hear about.

    Additionally, homicidal gas chambers are not mentioned in any of the works of Churchill, Eisenhower or De Gaulle, mentioned in any of the intercepted German radio transmissions(1) and not one of the thousands of autopsies showed death by gassing.

    Finally, most all of the eyewitness testimony asserts that the bodies turned blue or black & blue while, in reality, they would have been a cherry red color.
    Meanwhile, eyewitness, Moshe Peer claims to have been gassed 6 times but Gena Turgel only claims to have been gassed once & survived because "it must not have worked".
    Still other survivor stories are even more ridiculous(2)

    I don't expect you to change your opinion but, in your opinion, why is choosing not to believe that homicidal gas chambers killed millions when none exist so outrageous and considered "anti Semitic" by some?

    Thanks,




    (1) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (2) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood

     
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    Re:
    Throughout this thread I have made several assertions and been able to support them with several credible sources.
    Can you point to anything I've both written & supported that is a "false claim".

    My Great Grandfather was German and I worked, lived, and studied in Germany for years in the mid 1970s. As an outsider, I was able to view Germany & the German people with more objectivity.
    I simply don't see the German people as I came to know them of being guilty of many of the crimes they have been accused of committing.

    Yes, I believe that the holocaust happened in that many people who were both real and perceived to be threats to German national security were interred in work camps.
    I don't doubt that there were abuses but as you are aware, Judge Conrad Morgan tried & punished especially cruel German camp commanders and officials.
    Yes, I believe that there were executions in the camps but I do not believe that it is possible to quickly & efficiently collect, transport & compel 6,000 people per day to willingly go into homicidal gas chambers and then make almost 6 million bodies disappear.
    I feel that, especially toward the end of the war, typhus & related diseases account for most of the piles of dead bodies so frequently shown in photos both real & fake(1).

    Even though the information has been repressed, why not believe the simplest, most obvious & most believable evidence we have which is the actual intercepted German radio transmissions that openly declare that the Germans were working to keep camp deaths down, not execute people(2), (3)?

    Thanks,




    (1) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
    https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/


    EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED


    (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (3) "The Enemy Is Listening!"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028
    EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

    The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.[5]"
    CONTINUED

     
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    You posted that before but are still unable to explain the following:

    - Where's the large coal/coke piles required to fuel the ovens?

    - Where are the hundreds of millions of teeth & the skeletal remains that are left after cremation(1)?

    Meanwhile, Allied Air photos record no large coal/coke piles, no storage facilities for large amounts of coal/coke or railroad lines to deliver the coal / coke near the crematoria nor abundance of smoke from the Auschwitz crematoria.





    (1) "9 Things About Cremation"
    https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

    EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone. When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name."CONTINUED
     
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    Hello, Grau, may I challenge you with ten (10) fool-proof facts that the holocaust was real?
    https://listverse.com/2017/01/10/10-facts-that-conclusively-prove-the-holocaust-really-happened/
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    Please, I don't mean to torture you.
    I know, you have debunked most of them already.
    But... any comments?
     
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    Thanks for finding the fake smoke photo that the Weisenthal Center altered to deceive visitors and add dramatic effect.

    Sadly that is just one of the innumerable deliberate frauds perpetrated by the profit driven Holocaust Industry to deceive those gullible enough to believe the mathematical impossibilities of the holocaust with so little hard evidence.

    Additionally, there have been so many frauds and so many survivor testimonies that conflict with each other and the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) that fewer & fewer people believe that same incredible SHN than the already smaller number who do.

    I also appreciate the link showing other fake photos; some of them I've seen and some I have not. It must be the paucity of genuine evidence & desperate need to support a false narrative that causes holocaustians to alter or outright forge phony photographs as I am unaware of other desperate attempts to deceive the public by individuals focusing on other greater or equal holocausts during the 1900s
     
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    Thanks for noting that I have already debunked most of the holocaust myths and I would be happy to address the 10 "fool-proof facts" you cited to anyone who actually believed them but everyone on this thread who believes the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) appears to have dropped out of the discussion after being unable to refute what I have already written.

    Perhaps the single fact that refutes all 10 of the deceptions you noted is that according to the Wannsee Conference there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the fullest extent(1) but there have been 4.3 million post-war Jewish claims made on the current German government for reparations.

    I have yet to encounter a single SHN claim that cannot be debunked by either simple math or honest common sense.



    "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed"
    http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

    EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here,

    In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

    – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

    – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.

    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.

    He is not, therefore, as some Holocaust storytellers claim, some obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.

    As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992."CONTINUED
     
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    People, judges, governments, ministers, The Pope, generals, presidents, teachers and professors all over the world are worshiping a LIE.

    This revelation is almost too outrageous to be possible.
    I expect any minute for someone to come along and say... "but you forgot this and this."

    Imagine! We are all held in bondage by a gigantic sanctioned LIE.
    Where is little David to stand up and challenge the BIG LIE?
    Ursula Haverbeck, a very courageous German Lady stood up and asked: "Show me the 6 000 000 bodies! Where are they?"
    The "Beast" did not answer. Instead thousands of eager BEAST-worshipers grabbed her and locked her in a cage.

    Anyone here who would like to keep her company?
    Not me!! I am too young still. Maybe once I turn 90! :razz:
     
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    You generally cite claims of long-known professional HC deniers. But these guys were refuted long ago. It is boring to hear their stuff again and again. I would really be happy to read about new HC denial theories. I recently heard that Arthur Butz has new stories to tell about the HC.

    There it is again, the fixation on the magic number "6 million". I wonder why neo-Nazis believe they can go to a morgue to see 6 million dead Nazi victims, as if they had been killed yesterday.

    Ursula really deserves her sentence, at least for her stupidity.
     
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    Throughout this thread I have simply cited & supported numerous irrefutable facts that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible & you have either ignored or evaded every single one of them because you cannot refute them.

    In addition to other hard facts I have noted:

    1. The absence of even one of the thousands of homicidal gas chambers that would have been required to execute "millions of people". Not one blueprint, drawing or photo of a homicidal gas chamber exists anywhere while they should certainly exist in the "mountains of evidence" and "reams of documents" that holocaustians so often refer to.

    2. The existence of 150,000 Jewish military men including Jewish Generals, Admirals, & winners of Germany's highest military honors

    3. Intercepted German radio transmissions(1) make absolutely no reference to mass executions & express a desire on the part of the Germans to keep as many inmates alive as possible

    4. The absence of any mass graves at Treblinka, for example and the fabricated claims of Colls based on misidentified tile markings.
    Even after the crude open air cremation, there would have been 850,000 skeletal remains & hundreds of millions of teeth yet only 6 bodies have been found(2).

    5. The absence of massive coal/coke piles, railroad tracks to the crematoria to deliver large amounts of coal, large coal storage facilities or significant clouds of smoke at Auschwitz or other camps to burn "millions" of bodies as claimed.

    6. No mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the post war books written by De Gaulle, Churchill, or Eisenhower.

    7. The Wannsee Conference notes that there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point yet 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made on the post war German government. Meanwhile, Yehuda Bauer states that the notion that the Wannsee conference discussed a "master plan" to kill the Jews is nothing but a "silly story".(3)

    8. If Hitler etc wanted to kill all the Jews, why did they work with the German Zionist Federation to set up the Haavara Agreement to transfer Jews to Palestine?

    I have repeatedly stated these & other facts that debunk the SHN but among your responses concerning cremation impossibilities was: " the bodies burn themselves." (Post #405) when the human body is 70% water.

    For years I have presented these simple facts that refute the SHN and not once has anyone who believes the incredible SHN been able to refute them without being deliberately evasive or resorting to off topic personal attacks.

    While I appreciate your avoiding personal attacks, you have either evaded the facts I've presented or responded with outrageous impossibilities like: "...the bodies burn themselves."

    I sense that like others who blindly believe the SHN, you too will continue to evade the facts I've both presented & supported throughout this thread.

    (1) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (2) "The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax"




    (3) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed"
    http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

    EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here,

    In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

    – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

    – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.

    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.

    He is not, therefore, as some Holocaust storytellers claim, some obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.

    As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992."CONTINUED
     

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