Violence in Chemnitz, Saxonia, Germany

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Violence in Chemnitz: A timeline of events

    A fatal stabbing, calls for far-right protests and counter protests, clashes in the streets: How could events unfolding in the eastern German city of Chemnitz get so out of hand?
    Deutsche Welle chronicles what happened.
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    What started the unrest?
    Late on the evening of Saturday, August 25, a group of men got into an argument. The details are not yet entirely clear, but one of them did pull out a knife. Three people were injured; one of them died in hospital. The story quickly spread online, with a particular focus on the nationalities of the men involved. The 35-year-old who was stabbed to death, Daniel H., was German. A 23-year-old Syrian and a 22-year-old Iraqi man were suspected of having killed him.

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    The eastern German city has been recovering after being the scene of a far-right demonstration and violence.

    Read all about it here:

    https://www.dw.com/en/violence-in-chemnitz-a-timeline-of-events/a-45262531
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    It is obvious, the cup of refugee resentment is full, actually it runnests over! I have been reading in a German forum... the issue is not yet resolved, but so far it's just talk.
    Merkel, of course, condemns the protests. I bet she is shaking on her throne.
     
  2. Jazz

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    Today, Friday Sept. 7th, 2018:

    Far-right protests in Germany expose cracks in government
    BERLIN (AP) — More than 1,000 far-right supporters rallied Friday night over the fatal stabbing of a man in the eastern German city of Chemnitz, for which two recent migrants have been arrested and charged with manslaughter.

    In a case that has exposed friction between Chancellor Angela Merkel and top security officials, the flag-waving crowd rallied under the motto "security for Chemnitz" and behind a banner proclaiming "we are the people."

    The number marching was far smaller than the estimated 6,000 or so who assembled the day after the Aug. 26 stabbing of 35-year-old Daniel Hillig.

    About 500 counter-protesters gathered nearby shouting slogans like "there's no right to Nazi propaganda," while another opposition protest featured an open-air performance of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as a sign "against xenophobia, hate and violence."

    Local media reported one far-right supporter was arrested after being identified as having given the stiff-armed Nazi salute at a previous rally, which is banned in Germany, but police headquarters said they had no details on the report.

    https://www.thehour.com/news/crime/...ests-in-Germany-expose-cracks-in-13211952.php
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    It is very important to get the Nazi-Saluter!!! How nuts can they get in Germany? What is so terrible with the "Heil Hitler" greeting? It is just a harmless relic from the past, nothing more.

    What will be interesting is to find out, what kind of sentence, if any, will the two foreign stabbers get? Usually, the crimes, be it rape, theft or murder committed by refugees, are swept under the carpet.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-142-500-crimes-Germany-six-months-2016.html
     
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    ...yeah that's right mate...all just good old back slapping fun....boys outing down to the leather shop, quick invasion of Poland und dann zurück für kaffee und kuchen....SIEG HEIL!!!
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bist Du bloed oder was ist los mit Dir??
     
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    By the same paper as you have been using Jazz

    https://www.dw.com/en/jewish-restau...t/a-45406856?maca=en-rss-en-ger-1023-xml-atom

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    My family has a Nazi past. I see that ideology returning across Europe


    I was also reading an article which was concerned about how German Politicians with the exception of Merkel were fuelling the rise of the far right in Germany by making too many concessions to them in an attempt to appease them - like our Tories do, though with them it may be more to appease their own far right. I think they were saying that it is very likely that the AfD will be the main party in East Germany after the next elections and probably the 2nd in all of Germany.
     
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    Ich bin Blut und nichts stimmt nicht mit mir, wischer.
     
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    na schatz...leide habe ich wirklich keine ahnung aber sonst.... mittelprächtig beschissen wie immer....und dir, hose dicht und trocken?
     
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    dbddhkpukm!
     
  10. Jazz

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    How neat... you and a Nazi background! What else is new?? The Nazi pretenders are a sorry sight...
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    baby-faced and flabby arms like an old wash woman!:roll:
    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Anti...t-in-Chemnitz-amid-right-wing-protests-566851

    Merkel, or "Mutti" as she is affectionally called, has been able to steer her flock along a well-trodden path for years and all went fairly smooth. But now that she has enthusiastically opened her arms to hundreds of thousands strange men from poor and primitive countries who have no reason to flee their home country, other than wanting some adventure and a carefree life.
    The normally good natured but with guilt saturated Germans finally had enough! Can you blame them?

    We shall see how the German authorities in the aftermath will handle this incident. Quite possible they will forbid the Afd or PEGIDA or other right-wing groups. Probably under Jewish pressure.
    Check:
    Dieter Graumann, the President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, welcomed the efforts to ban the NPD.

    Speaking to Reuters, Mr Graumann said: It's high time that the unspeakable activities of the NPD be brought to an end. It's simply unbearable that right-wing extremists get taxpayer money to spread their propaganda.”

    And so it is... the Germans have to listen and behave!!!
     
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    Well lets just start being honest here. It was not me and a Nazi background, it was a German woman with Nazi Grandparents who like many in Germany had parents who brought that generation to task for what they did, something she said they never were able to properly accept. I have though noticed before Jazz that you have a tendency to excuse/deny Nazism. Why is that?

    You believe that Nazis are the above?


    It is irrelevant to me whether you support Muslim haters of neo nazis or both. It is to be assumed they both will work together given that they both are ethnic nationalists.

    well that is simply being ignorant of the truth or deliberately presenting falsehoods.

    While I agree that it was a mistake for Merkel to say Germany would accept all refugees from Syria and that having made no preparations it would be extremely difficult for any country to cope but using that as an excuse for hunting down these people simply is declaring your own mindset. What is going on in Germany is something which is being exploited just like the far right is doing in other countries. You support the far right and presumably you are aware of what that entails. Neo Nazis have had a low place in Germany under the surface. In the 1990's for example they were involved in a series of murders. Now I understand they are leaving their own party and joining the AdF. The article I left which you found so amusing was about neo nazis rising in Europe not just in Germany. You should read it so that you know what you are supporting and this is not aimed at Germany. It is a rising movement in Europe, exploiting the influx of refugees just like in the 1930's there was a massive influx of Jewish refugees due to programs in Russia and Eastern Europe. I have noticed before Jazz that you seem to have a blind spot concerning Nazi Germany. I would suggest you look at that so that you can discern if this is something you really want to support.

    Germany is a democracy. AfD is the largest opposition party. Get real

    This is an interesting view given that the main targets are Muslim. The Israeli Government loves and supports the AfD. German Jews however unlike the growing presence in the AfD are not interested in Germany being an 'ethnic nationalist state' and are aware that once support is given for one people to be persecuted it follows that others will be too so do not. The Israeli Government at the moment is aligning with ethnic nationalists despite their antisemitism....so which Jews are you expecting Germany to listen to, her own people who she has a responsibility to or Israel...but again Germany is a democracy so your talk here would suggest some issue with you and Jews.

    Oh so now you are talking about the NFD. Your claim was that Germany was going to ban AfD or Pegida. By the way when Pegida tried to get a march going in Scotland they only managed to get 4 people coming to march!
     
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    The NPD wasn't banned and the barriers in the German constitution to ban a party are very high. The AFD isn't under the surveillance of the "Verfassungsschutz" (constitution security, a German domestic intelligence service) which would be the very first step to a ban. Two parties have been banned since WWII, in 1952 the "Sozialistische Reichspartei", a successor party of the NSDAP and the "Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands" (communist party) in 1956.

    The killed German was partly Cuban and that is enough not to be seen as a German by the far right. The same who protest against migrant crimes would have beaten him up in other circumstances.
     
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    Yes, but here we are talking not about the far right murdering, we are talking about some Syrian and Afghani, in short "refugees", men from far away countries who should be fighting in their own countries and not kill a German of a Cuban mix. I bet, it wouldn't have mattered, if this German was of British or Russian mix... they just have no sense of civility or proper behavior. Why carry knives in Germany anyways? Back to where they came from with them, asap!
     
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    No, the NPD wasn't banned, but the Jewish Community in Germany lobbied for it to be banned many years ago. I distinctly remember having read their request at the time. And now Mr. Graumann is raising hell and high water to have the AfD banned, who hasn't killed anybody!!! Why doesn't he leave Germany and live peacefully in Israel and makes sure the IDF killings of innocent Palestinians don't get out of hand? The almost daily killings of Palestinians go totally unpunished as if it is a normal thing to do.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/gaza-protest-latest-updates-180406092506561.html
     
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    You're seeking moral consistency and aren't going to find it because in both cases, it's about what's good for the Jews.
     
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    Not much of one - it has an internal spy apparatus that spies on its own people to keep them ideologically in line and the government owns most of the media.
     
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    I get the impression you are getting confused and are strenuously trying to hang some kind of malevolence on me!
     
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    Of course, like everywhere else... the Jews are untouchable and always right. The holocaust is their shield and the Germans normally know that and keep quiet. They are guilty of that most horrible crime for generation after generation into all eternity!
     
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    Real life doesn't work that way. We're in a politicized environment where if anyone criticizes Jewish behavior or Jewish culture, they're equated with Hitler, as if Jews are perfect little creatures. Jews have a jacked up culture like everyone else does, they can be and are often bigots like everyone else, and pointing it out doesn't equal mass gassings.

    This is an old tactic.

     
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    http://currenthollywood.com/2018/08/romania-probes-anti-jewish-graffiti-on-elie-wiesels-house/
    I wouldn't hold it past them to smear around some graffiti themselves in order to keep antisemitism alive. Not too long ago they were caught in the act!
     
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    There have been many such cases of rabbis vandalizing their own temples.
     
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    Kinda nuts, isn't it?
     
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    99% of Swastika vandals paint them backward, and media always sensationalize it and use it as an excuse to berate white people, and audiences eat it up.
     
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    I am not confused nor have I ever had any malevolence towards you. It is to your own mind you must look.
     
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