"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then fix the problem without gutting the system. To solve the problem it is required to state, define, and understand the problem. Why was this person denied coverage ??
     
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    You’ve just contradicted yourself and don’t understand why.
     
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    Name someone who has been denied healthcare in the US.
     
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    Sorrier that you find it not silly.
     
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    Thanks for putting your ignorance on the topic in print
    So there is no causal relationship between single payer and life expectancy? Thanks.
    You really are a gem
     
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    Notice how you can't actually show the contradiction?
     
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    So statistics is something else you know nothing about. lol
     
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    why would I?
     
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    Private healthcare is available in the UK.

    Only about 6% of the population has it - in most cases as part of a work package, with only 1.4% of the population actually choosing to have it.
     
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    And the failure to recognize the self contradiction. That’s the ultimate failure of ideologues. They cannot recognize their own self contradictions.
     
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    notice how when challenged to show the contradiction, you couldn't do it, for a second time? lol
     
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    Have you pointed out the part that establishes causal relationship yet?

    Yeah, didnt think so.

    What's infant mortity again?
     
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    I get it. You don't know anything about statistics. The list of things you don't know seem to be endless.
     
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    Snicker snicker.
    You read the bolded words.
    Cute
     
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    I'm sorry you don't know anything about statistics, or much else. I truly am.
     
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    I'm waiting for you to present the study.
    The part where you establish a causal relationship has me drooling with anticipation.
    Snicker snicker
     
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    Ok. Working through with some actual Census stats...

    16.2% of the population has private not employer-based insurance, or 51,961,000 people. If one-in-seven are denied due to pre-existing conditions, that's 2.3% of the population (not 1%). The percentage may seem small but that's 7,422,629 people (not 3 million).

    This is a bare minimum.

    Firstly, the one-in-seven figure was based on applications processed by 4 companies over a 3 year period. Obviously, a continuation of this, year in year out, will result in an accumulating/ever increasing total of people who have not been able to get insurance.

    Secondly, people with employer-based insurance did have problems before the ACA, if they discontinued coverage for some reason, such as changing or losing their jobs. As there are 178,455,000 people with employer-based insurance. Let's say just 10% lose or change their jobs and one-in-seven are denied when they try to get new insurance, or at the very least lose coverage for those specific conditions, that's another 2,500.000 people, at least.

    Total so far is close to 10 million people.
     
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    Where is this sentence does it say "we all pay the same"? :
    "Bottom line, everyone pays for themselves, and because everyone's paying, everyone gets the benefit of the fact that everyone's paying."

    Take a look at the wide variety of universal healthcare and single-payer models around the world to see how they're paid for.
     
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    I presented it already.
    but this is a strawman, and you've been corrected on that enough times now.
    derp derp
     
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    The problem is that there is a cost barrier that prevents people from using cost effective healthcare.

    The result can be expensive - inappropriate use of ER services has been well documented.
     
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    It's 7%. And one out of seven results in ~ 3 million.

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-ind...0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...acts-on-pre-existing-conditions/#57897f4c13dd

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704164004575548563019515140
     
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    Thanks for proving my point(s) over and over again.
     
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    What cost barrier?
     
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    I said present not post a link.

    Now, are you going to present the part that establishes causation or you just gonna yap?
     
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    Yeah, you didn't.
    Very observant
     

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