Border Patrol Snags More MS-13 Members, Convicted Sex Offenders Trying To Jump Border

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  1. struth

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    Not really...the govt was closed on Xmas anyway
     
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    You're deliberately twisting the meaning of what he was trying to do. Why don't you focus on Obama's son, the police acted stupidly, Holder's people, or Pelosi's spark of divinity instead?
     
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    Who hired the contractor?
    Who was the contractor working for?
    Who did the story say was the legal employer?

    The answer is the same person for each of those questions.
    Ignorance isn't a legal defense.
     
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    What is a religious purpose?
     
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    laughable
    keep trying ...
     
  6. struth

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    Actually yes, he has tib knowingly hire illegals.

    You do know what a contractor is right? If I hire someone to cut my grass, I hire that person...blaming me for his employees is just silly.
     
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    Something your religion might require or ask o you.
     
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    Yeah really. Amazing how you twist and turn. It is the holiday season and many did not enjoy the moment when they are fretting about their bills. Try to put yourself in their shoes if you can and have compassion for others. After all, it ain't you not getting a paycheck, yes?
     
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    Why? They get all the backboay once the Dems finally decide to pass the budget and fund border security.
     
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    No, many are furloughed without pay, and many don't have sufficient reserves to hold them over. Of course, your boy Trump could
    care less about a wall. It's all about his ego, and nothing more.
     
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    Trump never praised the KKK as you claim
     
  12. struth

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    No, they will all get back pay. He’s for the wall, he’s been for the wall for years...even back when he. Dems were for the wall. Chunky and Nancy are the flip floppers...they voted for the wall in 2006 and now won’t fund it. Talk about ego...still whining the dnc lost
     
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    The lefts hate for trump blinds them to everything else
     
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    Read the post again. There are those who will not get back pay. those that will get back pay may not have enough reserves to pay their bills while they are waiting. Try to put yourself in their shoes. It is scary times for them with families to feed.
     
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    No gov employee should get back psy for hours they didnt work
     
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    They all get back pay. It’s the nature of Govt, I’d rhey haven’t saved then I don’t feel bad. It’s not gonna be shut down for months...
     
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    Sometimes people don't make enough to save. Regardless, shutdowns have a negative effect. Nobody is taking this time to go on vacation.
     
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    Immigration policy on asylum for refugees hasn't fundamentally changed since the Refugee Act of 1980. What has changed is that the Trump Administration isn't following the Refugee Act of 1980 by allowing refugees that arrive at a US port of entry to apply for asylum to receive one of the 75,000 Congressionally authorized refugee visas for 2018 so that they can lawfully enter the United States in compliance with our immigration laws. There are over 5,000 refugees stuck in Mexico that Trump has refused to allow to apply for asylum and enter the United States lawfully.

    When they're denied lawful entry for asylum by Trump some are resorting to the dangerous journey to enter the United States where, also under our law, they can apply for asylum once they're on US soil. When they follow our laws for asylum that allow asylum even when they unlawfully enter the Trump administration is incarcerating them effectively denying them the asylum they seek and often separating them from their children in the most inhuman and heinous manner,

    MS-13 members will not be admitted by the Refugee asylum process at a port of entry so expediting the processing of the 5,000 refugees by granting asylum would prevent MS-13 members and other criminals from entering the US with refugees. Trump's creating the problem, not fixing it.

    Democrats for years have supported improving border security and where a wall was determined to be cost effective in providing security they've supported it. The problem is that the additional 500 miles of wall that Trump wants, at a cost of $5 billion, isn't cost effective. Technology and manpower are far more cost effective and spending the $5 billion on the wall wouldn't provide the same security that spending $5 billion on technology and manpower would provide. Democrats don't want to waste money for political reasons. They want effective border security as opposed to spending money on white elephants.

    The Obama Administration was condemned by Hispanics because of the tough border security that existed under his administration that was more effective because it followed the Refugee Act of 1980 as well as our immigration laws that grant asylum to refugees already in the US. Obama didn't waste resources on those that should be allowed into the United States and instead focused on criminals and recent unlawful entry by non-refugees. Trump's immigration policies are far less effective in protecting America than those efforts under President Obama.
     
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    When you force refugees that have a right under our law to enter the United States lawfully by apply for asylum to unlawfully enter the US to lawfully apply for asylum it makes our borders less secure. There are over 5,000 refugees in Mexico that Trump has refused to allow to apply for asylum and to be allowed to lawfully enter the United States with one of the 75,000 refugee visas that Congress authorized.

    As long as Trump continues to refuse to allow lawful entry into the United States for refugees seeking asylum he decreases border security by forcing them to unlawfully enter the United States to lawfully apply for asylum.

    The US Military isn't doing anything to provide improved border security. I live in Arizona and the US military that Trump sent is in Tucson, 90 miles from the US-Mexican border, and it's members cannot stop, question, arrest or detain anyone. If a member of the US military is actually at the border and someone unlawfully crosses all the military can do is wave at them and welcome them to the United States. By law the US military can do nothing else.
     
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    funny how I just watched a Face the Nation video in which conservative Rand Paul accuses the pro war right wingers of hating your hero Trump
     
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    Republican Trump has gone on record as saying he is the one who did so. During the Obama years he said the president is exclusively responsible whenever there is a shut down. It is time to apply his standards to himself.
     
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    The GOP is a jumbled mess of many different opinions

    Its easy to find repubs on both sides of most issues, particulary when it comes to foreign wars

    I dont even know myself if I approve or disapprove of whatever we have done and are doing in syria
     
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    a true conservative does not approve of government intrusionism whether at home or abroad - if you were a principled conservative there would be no question as to where you stand on this or any other issue
     
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    I think I will pass on the idea of letting a fire-breathing liberal define what a true conservative should be
     
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    Not to mention the fact that most adults know complicated issues are rarely black-and-white, Syria included.
     
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