Angela Merkel - Nations Must Give Up Sovereignty To New World Order

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  1. Jeannette

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    I always knew Merkel was a liberal new world order freak. Even though she's not seeking re-election in 2021, she feels she must push the globalist agenda before she stands down.

    “Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.

    And then there's Macron:

    “Europe must be stronger… and win more sovereignty,” he went on to demand, just like Merkel, that EU member states surrender national sovereignty to Brussels over “foreign affairs, migration, and development” as well as giving “an increasing part of our budgets and even fiscal resources”.

    http://theduran.com/angela-merkel-nation-states-must-give-up-sovereignty-to-new-world-order/
     
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    What crowd is behind this craziness?
     
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    Progresives and Marxists.
     
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    Follow the money. George Soros? Utopians are world dreamers. They believe in total distribution of wealth from the richer nations to the poorer nations. Many of the rich buy into this because they suffer from guilt and feel they are undeserving of their success. Socialist are more than happy to keep that scenario alive.
     
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    Could be her way of getting off the hook for the consequences of her catastrophic immigration policy, thence to become something in the EU? And Macron's statement? Well he's only Germany's poodle anyway, so who GAF what he says! I know this all sounds a bit abstruse but I'm usually right in these things. :cool:

    Call it 'a gut feeling'? :roflol:
     
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    They should forbid spinsters to take high political positions. They don't know what is to have and grow a child. They don't have to be afraid for their daughter to come home safe and not be groped or raped by a filthy scum. They don't have to be afraid for their son to be humiliated or beaten by barbarian thugs.

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    Way how to manipulate with people - take part of text and add to it your own meaning. Where are compleate speaches not only fiew words from speach?
     
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    She did not say these things, good example of what most would call fake news.
    Take things out of context, leave some bits and pieces out, add a little made up extra, and you have a very different and highly inaccurate story.
    She didn't say "Nations must give up their sovereignty to the new world order."
    She didn't say "... nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty."
    Here's what she said:
    https://www.kas.de/veranstaltungsberichte/detail/-/content/-das-herz-der-demokratie-

    Nation states should (in her opinion) be willing to give part of their sovereignty away. This is not "must give up ..."
    Even though Germany has given parts of its sovereignty to the EU, the nations are the masters of the treaties and this includes the support of and by national parliaments and the decisions of these parliaments which are the heart of any democracy.
    She didn't say "nation states must not listen to their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty" at all, this sentenhce is simply made up.

    So, either The Duran don't care for correct translations or they deliberatly distort the facts.
    Of couse, those who are eager to find something that fits their carved in stone narrative take any piece of news they can find and run with it. Maybe being a bit more critical wouldn't be a bad idea. For the record, I don't support Merkel in any way.
     
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    It's a really very complex story to be perfectly honest. But the idea is to have a United States of Europe that is ruled and dominated by corporations (like I G Farben) and wealthy individuals --- and not by democratic representation.

    Hence Hitler's NSDAP Party was massively supported by top German industrialists like Fritz Thyssen and others (HERE) and which was a collaboration of state and corporation - but not the people who were to be (and were) subjects of both these elements.

    In the above newspaper article it was reported that Merkel's address was to the Konrad Adenauer Foundation. Adenauer rehabilitated some pretty unpleasant and leading Nazi's and gave them senior position on his administration. One of them, Walter Hallstein was a key architect of the EU that was always planned to become the United States of Europe.

    Funding came from all the loot and blueprints the Nazis acquired/owned during WWII which was moved offshore in Martin Bormann's capital flight programme outlined in the Hotel Maison Rouge meeting in Strasbourg on 10 August 1944. This was to keep it away from the grubby paws of the allies. That loot formed a vast investment fund that was invested internationally during and post WWII, and continued to be managed by 2nd and 3rd generation "managers" following Bormann's own death in Paraguay in 1959. Some of that money flowed back into Germany in 1955 (and later) leading to the miraculous economic rise of Germany post WWII.

    Prior to that the USE project was a project of the Cecil Rhodes-Lord Alfred Milner "Oxford Group". Rhodes and other "Rand-lords" were the financial movers and shakers behind this secret society. After their death others took the project forward and of these some were very pro-Nazi and members of the Nazi leaning Right Club of the WWII era.
     
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    I think most of these theshithole.com sites which move in to minds of naive people conspiracy teories and other staff like this do this with understanding, that it is fake.
     
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    Typical of the real source of fake news, and spreading that fake news, to take things out of context, add a lie or two, and then use the Internet to spread their garbage. Bravo. Well done. Typical of todays pseudo-conservatives.
     
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    The funny thing about crying and whining over News Sources is the common leftist tactic to call out for fake news. Considering that the lefts propaganda machines have been caught blue-handed in the act. Then its cry about Radio news and what they report. The leftness throughout the world needs the masses of people to not be in the knowing. They prefer that they remain ignorant to what the Left is doing and what they are about.


    'Give up sovereignty to EU' was Merkel's swipe to the UK ...
    https://www.sott.net/article/401460-Give-up-sovereignty-to-EU-was...
    German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the podium Angela Merkel has suggested countries should be willing to give up control over their own affairs and let organisations such as the European Union have more power in a veiled swipe at Brexit, as the German Chancellor threatens to …

    Angela Merkel Admits End Goal -- Nations Must Give Up ...
    www.independentsentinel.com/angela-merkel-admits-end-goal-nations...
    Angela Merkel finally admitted her end goal. She wants European nations to give up sovereignty to the EU, according to the Express. Last month, she said ceding power to a superstate is a better form of patriotism. Obviously, she is trying to change the meaning of the word ‘patriotism’.

    Germany's Angela Merkel: "Nations Must Be Ready To Give Up ...
    https://thedailycoin.org/2018/11/25/germanys-angela-merkel-nations...
    She is definitely pushing a Fourth Reich in giving up sovereignty for a push towards global government. Speaking at an event organized by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin on Friday, Merkel declared, “In this day nation states must today – should today, I say – be ready to give up sovereignty.”

    Merkel: In This Day and Age States Must Be Ready to Give ...
    https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3708031/posts
    Merkel: In This Day and Age States Must Be Ready to Give Up Sovereignty Gateway Pundit ^ | 11-23-2018 | Jim Holt Posted on 11/23/2018 4:32:37 PM PST by tcrlaf. Germany, a country of 82 million, welcomed from 800,000 to over one million migrants and unvetted “refugees” in 2015.

    Merkel : States Must Be Ready to Give Up Sovereignty – one ...
    https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/merkel--states-must...
    re: Merkel : States Must Be Ready to Give Up Sovereignty – one world gov Posted by ElectricWizard0 on 11/23/18 at 10:42 pm to OleWar quote: I remember a German who said states must be ready to …


    When left and Right sources along with Independent Sources are all reporting the same thing. Its a very high probability that the truth is being reported. Of course that doesn't bode well for the fake news crowd. As it shows why they have a comprehension problem with actual reality.
     
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    It isn't conservative. That clearly is the message from the leftness.
     
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    corps run the usa, assisted by libs, and now they run eu... brussels has 'tasted' the 'power' and will fight vehemently to , not only keep it, but to expand it...
     
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    The BIS and the ECB
     
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    What Left sources? What Independent Sources? Another forum? Typical right-of-center bullsh*t.
     
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    I'm neither left nor liberal. I'm not 'merican, so these black'n white categories don't mean much to me. What you posted I don't consider independent sources. Why not go to the original source? Anything else is not original anymore, but an interpretation. I already posted the German speaking original link with what she said at said meeting and that's what I was referring to.
    https://www.kas.de/veranstaltungsberichte/detail/-/content/-das-herz-der-demokratie-
    I also mentioned that Merkel said "nations should be willing to give part of their sovereignty away". When this is changed into "nations must give up their sovereignty" (which she didn't say), it's simply false.
    The statement "nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty" is simply made up. This should tell us a lot about The Duran. Repeating the same incorrect claim several times doesn't make it more correct. I for one will stick to the original. What you posted are translations, not the original and unlike you (correct me if I'm wrong) I can read the German original and compare it to the Duran article, therefore I'm a lot closer than any translaton. What The Duran reported is false, either out of incompetence or deliberatley.
    I could go into a word-by-word translation and analysis here, but that would probably take things a bit far.
     
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    Wow.

    Think about what a total disaster Merkel is proposing. And people question this One World Order issue and the legitimacy of the claims people who are trying to bring attention to this scheme.

    At no time in human history has mankind lived under such a order. It will never happen, and even given up some sovereignty will lead to catastrophe as humans have not evolved to ever accept cultural values that aren't aligned with their own.
     
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    Soros! He has a messianic destiny to form a liberal one world order since the old one collapsed with the Soviet Union.

    Hee, hee, hee! Why not!
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    Tigerdroppings is a leftist site so to is the Free Republic. The IndependentSentinel is well.....Independent. Sottnet aka Soft net.....well what do you think they are. Independent that leans left. The DailyCoin is Independent.

    'Give up SOVEREIGNTY to EU' Merkel's swipe at UK amid ...
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1048913/brexit-news-angela...
    She told the event, titled ‘Parliamentarianism Between Globalisation and National Sovereignty’: "In this day nation states must today - should today, I say - be ready to give up sovereignty.

    Now for the Right leaning.


    Angela Merkel: 'In This Day, States Must Be Ready To Give ...
    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2018/11/28/angela-merkel...
    Merkel spoke at an event last week in Berlin entitled “Parliamentarianism Between Globalisation and National Sovereignty.” She began by telling the crowd, “In this day, nation states must today – should today, I say – be ready to give up sovereignty.

    • Merkel: EU Nations Must Prepare to Hand Sovereignty over ...
      https://www.breitbart.com/.../23/merkel-eu-hand-sovereignty-brussels
      “Europe must be stronger… and win more sovereignty,” the French president said, demanding EU member states surrender national sovereignty to Brussels over “foreign affairs, migration, and development” in addition to “an increasing part of our budgets and even fiscal resources”.
    Merkel: 'Nation states must be prepared to give up their ...
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/merkel_nation_states...
    Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen …



    Cmon Len.....No Stealing the Sunshine. :sun:




    That's my job. :razz:
     
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    Left is left no matter where in the world.

    Giving part of their Sovereignty means they aren't fully sovereign. That giving part away puts it into the perspective that it is. Which means another would have something to say about ones sovereignty. In this case the EU and what they got to say.

    Comprehension is key. One cannot be a fully sovereign nation if another has a say about that sovereignty.

    So again.....left, Right, and independent. All calling it like it is.

    Oh and Progressives aren't liberal. Nor are Socialists, nor Marxists/Communists. Yet all of the leftness.
     
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    No, it's simply superficial and inaccurate to consider left the same all around the world. What's considered left politics in the US wouldn't necessarily be the same in other parts of the world, this is a very overgeneralising and 'merican way of looking at it. I don't know why you're bringing up progressives, I haven't mentioned them, and this is not the point anyway.
    The point is: what the OP claims is not true as I've already explained twice (didn't say "nations must give up their sovereignty", didn't say "must give up sovereignty to new world order", didn't say "nation states must not listen to their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty"), and that makes it fake.
     
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    Again, the Leftness is what it is. Its made up of Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Marxists, and the illiberals. Doesn't matter where they are in the world.

    Yes the OP is true.....one cannot be a sovereign nation or state if they are giving up part of their sovereignty to another. It is that simple and that is what Merkel said.


    Merkel: European countries must hand over their ...
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    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that European Union (EU) member states must transfer powers over to Brussels at a debate on the ‘tensions’ between globalisation and national sovereignty. “Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty,” Merkel said, speaking at an event organised by the Konrad Adenauer …


    Germany's Chancellor Says Nation States Must 'Give Up ...
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    12 hours ago · “Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
     
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