Angela Merkel - Nations Must Give Up Sovereignty To New World Order

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
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    Actually, to use the modal verb properly the sentence would read,
    - "Nations must their sovereignty upgiving."
    - "Nations should parts of their sovereignty upgiving willing to be."
     
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    Precisely.
     
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    Many early EU supporters also argued that the EU would be a sensible balance of power between the two Superpowers of the day.
     
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    And which countries are prepared to do that? I see no volunteers yet.
     
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    I followed her money.

    Angela Merkel
    • Chancellor of Germany
    • Born: 1954
    • Married
    • Children: 0
    • Annual: ₹ 2,64,44,446.00
    • Monthly: ₹ 22,03,703.83
    • Weekly: ₹ 5,08,547.04
    • Daily: ₹ 1,01,709.41
    https://paycheck.in/salary/salarycheckers/angela-merkel
     
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    The spun hype at the time was a kind of 'united we stand' thing, and there will never be another war in Europe. I fear we're about to see the wheels fall off of that particular wagon, in France now, and Italy soon. I only hope we'll be able to keep out of it?
     
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    The less the Corps of the USA pay, the less incentive they have to run the USA. Tax them heavy and they truly get deeply involved.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One thing I believe to be good for the various nations of Europe is the one currency for all. If you had to, as I once did, go through the hassle of spending a currency in one nation made by another nation, you realize a lot of people can pick your pocket of your currency. There was a huge profit in money selling among the money exchangers.
     
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    Well, I think the Europeans should adopt the American system, but I very much doubt they will, not in the foreseeable future anyway.

    I don't like the European Union in its present state, but I think it's necessary for the survival and further development of European civilizations. Brussels' bureaucrats biggest mistake was admitting in the Union too many states too fast.

    Less sovereignty for each country doesn't mean more power in Brussels. It means more cooperation between states, but I guess this is too much to ask from countries with a tradition of ultra-nationalism like Poland, Romania, Hungary, or Italy. On the other hand, the more contact people in those countries have with different societies in other countries of the Union, due to freedom of movement, the more they'll see the faults in their own societies and hopefully work to correct them.

    Merkel is way ahead of her time, unfortunately. She is one of the only two politicians I really admire and respect. No, the other one is not Trump.

    Anyway, my post wasn't about the qualities or failures of the European Union. It was about American mindset.
     
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    Germany and Sweden. Now you know.
     
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    All the sources I've read says Bormann died in Berlin in 1945.
     
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    Yes, I know the official story. But it's not true. It's a cover up.

    I have conducted years and years of research on Bormann and other Nazis fleeing from Europe at the end of WWII. Bormann survived, went to Argentina and after Juan Peron was overthrown in 1955, moved to Paraguay where he died in 1959 (HERE).



    Likewise, according to the US and Germany, another very senior Nazi, the head of the Gestapo, Heinrich Mueller also died at the end of WWII (or worse, fled to the Soviets). But here he is in Asuncion, Paraguay in 1978 filmed for a British TV documentary about Mengele.



    The best book on the matter is Paul Manning's Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile. Manning had Gestapo Mueller as head of security for the Bormann Brotherhood in Latin America. So it is interesting that Bormann's death in an iunsular German speaking colony south of Asuncion.
     
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    At least this article agrees.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ped-but-died-as-mengeles-patient-1475068.html
    and maybe this one
    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/01/...ure-mengele-was-at-home-here-but-bormann.html

    The Nazi's must have moved a ton of money or valuables to South America to be able to set up these German colonies with no outside funding, or did they get funding elsewhere?
     
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    The question is.....with Soros being the cause of many major problems in the world. Then why does the World allow Soros to step out into public? Why do they allow him to continue. His leftist bodyguards cannot deal with skilled warriors.

    That is fact that he and his bodyguards can't get around. They can't handle mercs nor assassins.
     
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    Sadly you are wasting your time. They have already decided that the lie is the truth, so no amount of correcting them based on actually quoting what she said will help.

    The OP is notorious for posting sources that are little more than lies & propaganda. She will defend it, either because she can't tell the difference between a truth & a lie or because the doesn't care.

    The poster you are engaging is a troll who will simply never admit he is wrong. The fact that you can read her speech in german & he can't doesn't matter. Once he has decided he is right that becomes a 'fact'.

    The rest of the trolls, conspiracy nuts & fools don't care about the facts either. You only have to read their posts to see that they are either pushing agendas, acting on hard wired prejudices or repeating rote learned talking points.

    Your facts have no place here. This is a place where ideology, propaganda & fantasy rule.
     
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    Don't be 'dumbfounded', Pisa. We Americans adopted a Constitution that very specifically describes the Federal government structure to which all of our 50 states owe allegiance and common acceptance. Everything else (outside of what is specifically described in the Constitution) is reserved to each individual, sovereign state!

    This key principle is detailed in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution (my emphasis):

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Thus, the United States was supposed to avoid the tyranny of being run by a klatsch of centralized bureaucrats -- such as those Americans had observed in Europe -- with power concentrated in London (for England) and Paris (for France).... Unfortunately, our 10th Amendment suffered enormous destruction during the reign of President Abraham Lincoln.

    The elimination of slavery in this country was, of course, a good thing, and its disappearance was inevitable anyway given the enormous advances made in farming technology by 1900. Indeed, by the time of World War I there really would have been no remaining economic raison d'être for slavery at all. But the virtual extermination of the individual state's rights by a tyrannical Federal government was a crippling, destructive action that changed us forever....
     
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    Another prime expression of Kanzlerin Merkel's determination to pursue an internationalist agenda is in the news right now! What a coincidence:

    Merkel vows Germany will keep pushing for 'global solutions'

    Link: https://www.foxnews.com/world/merkel-vows-germany-will-keep-pushing-for-global-solutions


    Obviously, she was taught very persuasively by her old East German communist government's instructors when she was young! "The apple never falls far from the tree...."

    And now, Frau Merkel has mastered the ability to CLONE HERSELF -- she will "step-aside" and be replaced by Merkel-clone phenomenon, "AKK" (Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer). Too bad... the CDU had this one perfect opportunity to finally install a Kanzler of real intelligence, and love of Germany -- Friedrich Merz. But now that hope is gone....

    [​IMG] . upload_2018-12-31_9-44-33.png "Deutschland, Deutschland UNTER alles...."
     
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    It's the bureaucracies who rule in both countries. If they can do as you say to these companies and corporations they can do it to anyone, and have done.
     
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    Do you have a link to that?
     
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    Do you need one?
     
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    Interesting post, Thanks, but it seems to me that the 17th Amendment also contributed to the quagmire we see now. The interests of the States have been subordinated to the interest in getting reelected.
     
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    Do you expect me to accept your word?
     
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    Gets what? He's a freebooter :crossbones: running New York con. :-D
     
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    The only specific example they gave was Germany joining the UN migration pact while the majority of Germans opposed it. Surrendering sovereignty to the UN. But Angela probably would prefer that European nations surrender their sovereignty to Germany... uh....., I mean the EU.
     
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