I'm beginning to think Rudy has Alzheimer's

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like flying to Iran to meet with the Mullahs after you're no longer in a government position to keep the Obama-Iran missile research deal alive?

    And yeah, every incoming administration can say "hey, this is going to change as soon as we get the stench of socialism out of the Oval".
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I'm sure it is.

    Why don't you give me a brief list of the "additional information".
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-trump-falsely-says-new-carter-page-document/

    FACT CHECK OF THE DAY

    Trump Again Falsely Claims Russia Investigation Started With Steele Dossier

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/us/politics/fact-check-trump-russia-dossier-tweets.html

    The New York Times has reportedand Republicans who hold the majority vote on the House Intelligence Committee have concluded — that the investigation began in July 2016 and was prompted by the actions of George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

    Mr. Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat in May 2016 that Russia had political “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidate. Australian officials then alerted their American counterparts of the conversation with Mr. Papadopoulos.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well of course he doesn't have contacts with Putin or his oligarchs.

    You do realize that not every Russian is connected to Putin's shadowy web right?

    I mean I'm sure there's one or two Russians that don't even like Putin.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is what makes debating Trumpers so frustrating. You insist on refusing to accept the facts of the matter.
     
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    Truth hurts:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    "Several of Uranium One’s owners were also donors to the Clinton Foundation, giving $145 million to the charitable foundation, and critics have alleged that Clinton greenlighted the sale to appease donors to her family’s charity."

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your BIG PROBLEM is Hillary did not have unilateral authority to authorize the sale.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought the title said Ruth, but then I saw your avatar and knew that irrespective of any actual health observations it could not have been Ruth.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The Committee on Foreign Investments has nine members, including the secretaries of the treasury, state, defense, homeland security, commerce and energy; the attorney general; and representatives from two White House offices (the United States Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy).

    The committee can’t actually stop a sale from going through — it can only approve a sale. The president is the only one who can stop a sale, if the committee or any one member “recommends suspension or prohibition of the transaction,” according to guidelines issued by the Treasury Department in December 2008 after the department adopted its final rule a month earlier.

    For this and other reasons, we have written that Trump is wrong to claim that Clinton “gave away 20 percent of the uranium in the United States” to Russia. Clinton could have objected — as could the eight other voting members — but that objection alone wouldn’t have stopped the sale of the stake of Uranium One to Rosatom."
     
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    Not a problem at all. So you are such a FOOL to think she didn't have any clout to get it done? It's called bribes and kickbacks and favors. Nice admission you were wrong.
     
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    Oh you mean another guy who wasn't charged with anything but "lying"? What crime did he commit? None, apparently.

    Mueller got him though, several days in jail. That'll show him.

    While I enjoyed your 6 month old nonsense story from the NYT, you might want to get caught up on current events.

    You know, like where Baker admitted Comey and McCabe leaked their "info" to the press as their evidence to get a FISA warrant.

    The FBI knew they had nothing, which is why they had to leak the dossier (which they created), as the basis for a FISA.

    They even had to fire Steele and have the DOJ relay messages like some 5 year old version of note passing to keep their "firewall" alive.

    Would they have to do that if they had evidence Flynn, Papadopoulous, or Trump was "colluding" with Putin?

    Yeah.

    I'm feeling kinda sorry for you guys.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have absolutely no evidence what you suggest is true.

    The Times also wrote that Bill Clinton spoke at a conference in Moscow on June 29, 2010 — which was after the Rosatom-Uranium One merger was announced in June 2010, but before it was approved by the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States in October 2010. The Russian-based Renaissance Capital Group organized the conference and paid Clinton $500,000.

    Renaissance Capital has “ties to the Kremlin” and its analysts “talked up Uranium One’s stock, assigning it a ‘buy’ rating and saying in a July 2010 research report that it was ‘the best play’ in the uranium markets,” the Times wrote.

    But there is no evidence that the donations or the speaking fee had any influence on the approvals granted by the NRC or the Committee on Foreign Investments.

    Not only that, there is no evidence of corruption by the Clinton Foundation.

     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Backtracking on the subject matter Kislyak and Flynn discussed in no ways supports your assertion. You nor I have no way to know if a charge of violating the Logan Act was or was not part of Flynn's plea bargain. But we do know subverting Obama's policy was discussed.
     
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    You haven't presented anything that isn't wrong yet.
     
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    Obama could have stopped it anytime he wanted.

    He didn't.
     
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    I noticed you selectively quoted me.

    Too much truth for you so you have to pretend it doesn't exist.

    I'm used to that when debating the "russian collusion" crowd.

    Of course we know, since we know what Flynn was charged with.

    For fun, how old is the Logan Act, and how many US citizens have been convicted of it?

    Why wasn't Kerry charged with Logan Act for flying to Iran and meeting with mullahs?

    Why wasn't Obama charged with Logan Act for shadowing the POTUS foreign meetings?
     
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    Funny, I can't see any of that on Clinton's tax returns.
    Let me look at Trump's. Oh wait.
    It never ceases to amaze me that you think it's OK for him to lie to us over and over again.
    [​IMG]
     
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    How many people had to vote to approve the U1 deal?
     
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    Neither Obama nor McCain were doing business with China.

    And it is damn ominous. He's a proven liar, a proven cheater, a proven crook and Putin had something over him during the entire campaign. Now you figger out if a trained KGB agent who rose to supreme russian power might utilize said major leverage?

    Even Inspector Clouseau couldn't fail to notice.
     
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    Uh, our government officials are all up in Chinese interests. They're far more of a danger, and have far more influence, than Russia has ever had.

    You know, like a Chinese spy being in the employee of Diane Feinstein for 20 years or so. No biggie right.

    Yes, I know what your imagination tells you about Trump because he hurt your feelings in 2016.

    So far it's taken Inspector Clouseau, multiple intelligence agencies, special intelligence sharing set up by Obama before he left, and every leftist in the country the last 3 years to dig into everything Trump has done in his entire life.....and so far.....you have bupkis.
     
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    Sure it has.

    The difference now is that Obama isn't here to cover it up.
     
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    How about Trump? He is paying Giuliani to be his lawyer.

    I have compiled evidence against Trump on a few threads. One of my best sources for that evidence -- Rudy Giuliani.

    Another is Donald Trump.
     
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    tick tock.
     

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