Isn't declaring a national emergency the same as declaring martial law?

Interestingly Trumps senior adviser was on FOX yesterday and said illegal immigration doubled when Bush was in the White House and GOP was in control of Congress. Now, after 8 years of Obama, it is down 80%.

 

There are these magical things called "revelations" that happen over time; this is why we need to revise our beliefs if the facts no longer are consistent with those beliefs.

Give it a try, Fred.

 

How is that possible when 65% of registered voters disagree with the emergency declaration?

 

We don’t need a wall. Here’s how to solve the problem:

1. Invite the current crop of aliens to leave. Give them 90 days to repatriate back to their country of origin. There will be no penalty, no questions asked, just leave. We just want you to comply with the laws of this sovereign nation. Make it known that those who choose not to avail theselves of our generous amnesty will then be located and prosecuted to the full extent of the law for every single infraction they may have committed in the course of unlawfully residing in the United States: You will be found, prosecuted, and summarily deported at the end of your lengthy prison sentence. Your assets will be seized and placed into a general fund to fund prosecutions of aliens who refused to leave.

In both cases. the individual will receive a permanent, irrevocable lifetime ban on entering the U.S. for any purpose.

2. At the same time, ICE begins unannounced audits of known employers of illegal aliens. Any illegals appeehended will be identified, fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, and released so they may leave the country within 90 days. The leadership of those companies will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, fines will be levied, assets will be seized, some will be incarcerated depending on the circumstances and severity of the charges.

3. The USSC needs to “fix” the 14th Amendment by properly and authoritatively interpreting “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” to exclude the offspring of unlawfully present individuals from birthright citizenship. This should discourage anchorbabyism and chain migration.

4. All public benefits will be reserved for citizens and lawful permanent residents only. These include, but are not limited to, public school, free college, free medical care, housing assistance, food assistance, social services of any kind, and any public funded legal defense.

5. All foreign aid will be suspended to the countries from which the majority of illegal aliens come from.

Once that’s accomplished, we can go about reforming our immigration system in a meaningful way, making it much easier for high-value immigrants to enter and ultimately earn citizenship. It shouldn’t take 20 years. But it shouldn’t just be a giveaway either.

 

The design of the 'wall' guarantees the drugs will come through, since they can be passed through the slats.

 

Thank you--I appreciate you taking the time to post this.

I will respond when I'm not at work.

 

What are the numbers now during this '40 year low'? How many illegals crossing the border is acceptable?

 

Well then the point is meaningless. Yet you made it a major component of your argument. Why are you having such a hard time with that?

Fallacy: Appeal to tradition. There is no language in the National Emergencies Act that requires Congress to accede. The president has the legal authority to declare a national emergency.

Fallacy: Appeal to authority. The Court’s ruling did not change the fact that Obama made an end run around Congress with “his pen.” Yet this is the basis of your condemnation of Trump.

What is unconstitutional about a president invoking the legal tools at his disposal?

 

Great. I look forward to a meaningful discussion.

 

You really should read what the border guards have to say. They want the openings so they can see, for many miles in some areas, who is approaching the wall. With an enclosed wall the bad guys would hide behind it and attack the agents. You can discover all this yourself if you want to learn more on the subject.

 

Yes, Bush did nothing. And doing nothing is tacit approval. My guess is his country club cronies were very fond of the steady stream of cheap, exploitable labor.

 

The President can declare a National Emergency if there IS a National Emergency. Illegal Immigration is, by all the accounts I've seen, at the lowest point in years.

If Trump wants to dispute that he should at least have to put up some credible figures of his own, and have them stand up to rigorous scrutiny, not just be in one of his speeches

 

And what are the numbers for this 'lowest point', and what about in years to come? Are these numbers for the 'lowest point' sustainable?

You should also include some 'credible figures' in your post when making any claims.

 

I actually agree with this, IF you admit that the same thing applies to a continuous barrier many miles long. Depending on the terrain a barrier could be very helpful OR it could be a monstrous impediment.

Part of the problem is that we are proposing a structure thousands of miles long across some of the most difficult topography on the planet. My feeling is it would take considerable study just to determine what sort of structure or even arrangement of structures would be appropriate, but the Trumpists are like "wall, wall, big beautiful wall, ee-yup"

 

1. The vast majority of drugs captured are captured at ports of entry because that is where the majority of the officers are.
2. It will take awhile and makes it a lot easier to catch them in the act than walking through.

 

Border apprehensions are up. Imagine how many get past with even 60K a MONTH in apprehensions.

 

If they are going to cover every section of the border, there would be no need for a wall.

Drugs can be passed through the slats in the 'wall' which means they have no effect in smuggling.

 

The fact that you seem to be asking me to predict the future and all its circumstances leads me to believe that whatever figures I might post that have surely been posted before will be casually dismissed by you, but what the hell, it's not really any trouble

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/fact-check-trump-border-crossings-declining-.html

 

Once the human is over the border how is the drug lord going to get the next batch of drugs over? Find another mule? Drug trafficking does not need a human to cross any border and can be carried out in the quietest emptiest location on the southern border.

 

So drugs just cross all by themselves?

 

So the bad guys are just waiting to attack agents? Oh, and how come the agents can't see through the enclosed wall but the bad guys can?

 

Post 755! "Walls will not make any difference as drugs are just thrown over walls to their partners in crime on the other side of the border"

Oh, and drugs can just be passed through the gaps in the proposed wall

 

If they are passed through the fence, then there is no human crossing the border.

 

Doubling down on the cocapult rant ??

 

You guys are absolutely hilarious. You make the case for a wall without knowing it. We have a bunch of Jim Acosta clones in this thread.