The "horrors" of Socialism Explained

BTW: Thomas Paine argued for a democracy in Common Sense.

“COMMON SENSE was an instant best-seller. Published in January 1776 in Philadelphia, nearly 120,000 copies were in circulation by April. Paine's brilliant arguments were straightforward. He argued for two main points: (1) independence from England and (2) the creation of a democratic republic.”
http://www.ushistory.org/us/10f.asp

Do you just make things up to support your delusions?

 

Neither value nor labor are property.

 

Wrong. Really wrong. Socialism is not a political system. It is an economic system and involves businesses being run by government rather than by the public. Your post will make sense if you substitute "government social spending" for "socialism."

 

I dont think welfare bums are too good to do those jobs

Kick able bodied people off the dole and make them work

 

Doesn't that brand you are talking about only protect the wage that is earned??? Then government confiscates what they feel fit? Socialism is socialism no matter what qualifier you want to put on it.

 

The Horror of Socialism: Massive incarceration, Massive starvation, massive torture, massive mass graves.
The Glory of Capitalism: Massive wealth for the masses provided for by the creative few in exchange for money.
Hmmm. I choose capitalism. I love what it is...and it is what it is.

 

Socialism: Thriving cemetaries
Capitalism: Thriving marketplaces.

 

Socialism: The Equality of Destitution
Capitalism: The Reality of Abundance

 

No.

The worker ownership decision isn't based on government discretion. It's the direct result of protecting property rights. Sounds like you only support property rights when it is convenient.

 

Property rights? What thing are we talking about?

 

Socialism: Lights out.
Capitalism: Lights on

What’s the argument? Is reality that difficult?

 

No. I believe it's exactly the way you say it. And it's what Democratic Socialism holds. The government has the obligation to provide the opportunity to everybody to have a home, job and equal pay. But you have to work hard to obtain it. You can have access to education, but it's up to you to work hard at obtain a title. Once you have an education, you have work hard to be good at what you do.

As for the Green Deal, that's a different matter. But we are not too far apart.

 

No idea what you're taking about because this discussion has nothing to do with "self sacrifice", "altruism", "free riders" or "higher productivity". Not even remotely. Sounds to me like you are trying to sway this into a "pure" ideological discussion and thereby my "ideologue" precaution.

 

I'm glad you said it, and not me. Might have gotten me in trouble with the mods.

Whodat?

 

I'm amazed at how many people can quote Hannity, Limbaugh and their echo chamber with such erudition. Did any of those guys even finish High School?

 

Really? You actually read and responded to THAT part of my post?

That's the only part you read. And you actually thought that was serious?

Wow!

 

The concept of a metaphor just flew over your head at about 30,000 feet.

 

I know for a fact worker/ownership does not work in all areas. Workers often do not want to share in risk because it often goes bad. In other words, they refuse to share in losses. Sounds like you just want to twist the arms of those that will take risk and have them pay dividends regardless of loss. So, in your economy do these workers front money for risk?

 

It seems like many just repeat what is true. That's easy to do. Schemes based on falsehoods go all over the map.....that is why you have so many hyphenated socialists. They just come up with different brands to try and make "socialism" compatible with "liberty"....and it's not!
Your comment:

just implies that those of us that disagree are not "educated." "indoctrinated" would be the actual term. Universities and public education have been promoting "socialism" since the 1920's. Leftists abound at the University level. Presidents Washington and Jefferson were self-educated men. There are a lot of us today.
So do you look down your nose at all of us?

 

Oh no. In no way would I imply that. I am only referring to those who just repeat the talking points by uneducated morons like Hannity and Rush and their echo chamber. But never make even a reference (much less an attempt at a rebuttal) of the substance in the post they respond to.

 

Capitalism: Your life, your choice. Live.
Socialism: Your life, state’s choice. Obey.

 

And what poster posted “what”, that you consider ignorant parroting of political falsehoods.

To determine what system provides the flourishing of human existence, tribalism (socialism) or individulism (capitalism), all one need to do is look at reality.

 

That is my point. You haven't shown any comprehension of the debate over socialism and its real world application. Thanks for agreeing.

 

Fact? Why haven't you presented any? We know the empirical evidence, by researchers such as Logue and Yates. Worker ownership, protecting property rights, generates higher levels of productivity.

Red herring. There is no compulsion in being part of a worker owned enterprise. Sounds like you really have a problem with free will.

Another red herring. It is the entrepreneur that takes the risk. Note that social democracy is found to increase self employment rates. Market socialism, by ensuring a fairer distribution of wealth, opens up further entrepreneurial opportunity. You're not forced into wage labour, just through the accident of family class.