70 years NATO birthday ...

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    That the EU is rude and stupid.

    Rude to criticise a friend of Brexit; Stupid to suggest that UK is like an EU state, saying that Trump supports Brexit, so the EU should support Ohio leaving the US (as if somehow) that's the same as Brexit.

    Get off your illusion that the EU is a country and that there's such a thing as an EU citizen, because last time I checked, my passport says I'm a British Citizen and the EU isn't a country.

    THERE IS NO ESCAPING no matter how much the EU parliament smiles and suggests otherwise in the hope people will forget the truth, that the EU IS NOT A COUNTRY.

    So, yes, we know the UK can't have a trade deal with the state of TX, but the US as a whole, it's foolish to think the EU is the same, when in reality, the EU if it acts as bloc can suggest countries don't trade, but can't legally stop them.

    Remember, there is no such thing as a European Citizen and you're a German and the EU isn't a country, USA is a country and TX is a US State, UK isn't a state of the EU. There are no such thing as a state of the EU.
    Your countries are small and weak and you may romance the idea, but it's not reality.

    How stupid was it for Junker to utter
    “The newly elected U.S. president was happy that Brexit was taking place, and asked other countries to do the same. And if he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas.”
    — European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in response to Donald Trump's support for Brexit.

    Everyone knows it's not possible for a US state to exit the US no matter what Juncker says, and everyone should agree that Trump supporting Brexit is fine and it's insulting for the EU to treat the UK as if the UK was like TX or OH in this EU.

    I would say 'get real EU', but, since when did EU and advocates of the EU know fact from dream?
     
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  2. vis

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    Apparently you did not read carefully what was the discussion about. We were discussing who from whom ran away in Berlin when Russian Army came there.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My grandchildren have EU citizenship, and my grandson always dreamt of working in London, but I sensed something was wrong in and about 2012, so even though he was offered a top position, I'm glad he didn't take it. Actually I was shocked that others couldn't sense it. But then again I sense a lot of things, like for instance; that Madeline McCain is and has always been in the middle of Spain. But no one asks me.

    This is what Saint Paisios said when the EU was formed:

    "It will not survive. How is it possible that nations who fought one another, and with people still alive from that time to unite?"

    "The US is different in that everyone brought their own cloth and wove them into a rug, but in Europe they had already made their rugs and they will try to put them together, but each nation will be pulling it in its own way."

    "Britain will be the first to go, and Germany will be to blame."

    "The US and Britain will look at Germany and say what's this, is Hitler rising again, and they will break it up."
     
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    This is a disposition of Russian Army on 11 May. I do not see US army even close to Berlin so that someone wanted to run to it to escape as you say from NKVD forced. The bombing of Dresden was sort of the things that US did to Japan, later to Yugoslavia. They destroyed a beautiful city which did not have a single military factory and had just civilians. You acted like *******s and barbars destroying Dresden. By the way this operation was not agreed with Stalin.
    You argument that it was a message to Stalin is simply ridiculous. Of course NATO will crash, because it causes all the time only problems. Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Yugoslavia. NATO is an aggressive organisation. If one looks at the budget it has it 20 times more, than the budget than Russia spends on military. From this it is clear that is NATO and US which are really aggressive and not Russia.
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    There's no such citizenship in existence.

    EU citizenship doesn't exist because EU isn't a country to be issuing passports or nothing.
    I have a British passport that's also an EU passport and I'm born in London, and no passport on Earth says 'EU Citizen' or 'European Citizen'.
    French passports say French Citizen, UK passports say British Citizen, Irish passports say Irish Citizen, your grandchildren or anyone's grandchildren (ever) can't be EU citizens because EU citizens don't exist.
     
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    They escaped in the months following end of hostilities....and there were many. Mass rapes of women by the asiatic moskalis.....that mustve been a great piece of ass vatniks ever had. "Panienka....davai, davai.

    We acted like "barbars"? Correct term is ..barbarians, vis. Really vis, yah dont say, and vatniks arent"barbars"? What about chechnya in 90s, when they wanted independence....or Donbass,w hat about Katyn Forest, Golodomor killing ukranians, pretty rich on your part.

    Not agreed with Stalin? .....why, did we need to get an OK from him or something? We sent you aid, and EG is as far as you went.

    We agreed to fight Hitler....together, once that was outta the way, all bets were off, both sides knew it.

    You only wish Nato crashes....its very existence burns your nuts. Dont hold your breath.
     
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    Meh, you won’t miss us, and we definitely won’t miss you free loaders. Good luck with Putin.
     
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    Sorry if the krauts are leeches, who have never paid their share. Free ride is over for you euro leeches.
     
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    There is only a problem ... WE HAVE PAID AND WE DO PAY OUR DUTY AND SHARE !!!

    But if people like you want to believe lies of this impudent piece of **** who plays to be yopur current US President, then it is your problem and I must say that the times ar eover when you have anything to demand from us. You can tlak to us, negotiate and discuss ... nut you can never ever demand anything, because you are not in the position! Get clear with facts!
     
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    Well ... he is much more trustfull as the USA since 2 years and he holds deals and keeps his word. But Trump ... well ... the master and Lord of lies and betray never!
     
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    We should have not only left Germany a ruined heap, we should have let Stalin punish all of Germany for the sins of your grandparents.
    Germany is full of arrogant, and ungrateful people. I hope we leave, and let Putin pimp slap that pig faced witch chanceller, Merkle.
     
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    Yep ... I know this! The point is, that Germany does not like and accept that and ... at the moment still hesitant ... shoot back and the arguments and bare facts in favor of Germany. No one expected that the "evil Krauts" would not just shut up and submit to the outrageous and unreasonable demands ... but fight back!
     
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    What you did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki+Dresden in WW2 is much worse than any rapes and this is a documented fact. While mass rapes you are talking about is BS and lie, result from your propaganda yellow press. Chechnya is internal matter of Russia, non of your business. It supplied terrorists to everywhere in Russia and was supported by terrorists from Middle East. Later, Russia invested huge amount of money there to rebuild everything. Did you pay a single cent to restore Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Belgrad etc etc?
    You BS about golodomor is annoying. People were dying from hunger and were forced to go to kolhoz not only in Ukraine at that time, but also in Russia- in Siberia, basically everywhere. You know, I can say the same way that it was genocide of people in the US during Great Depression, when about 7million people died from hunger...
     
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    Rude to blame the EU for issues what are not any guilt of the EU, due to have no knowledge about the EU, but UK own failure. Stupid to cheer everyone in world who welcomes Brexit out of oure own interest and not because "I love Britain"!

    Get it in your head that the EU is a close community which agrees to work close together and to have an interal market like being one country. Out of this are all things in matter of trade to do as being one country!
    And if you British won't have Free Movement ... why dod you then say Yes in the past? You was free to say No as you said No to Schengen agreement too!
    The problem is that you wanted to have a free movement of all Brits inside the EU, but not giving the same to all others in the EU in reverse. So you said Yes, becuase your impudent cherry picking thinking failed!

    Are you crazy? Of course there is a state of the EU, because a state is member or is not member state! And as I told, because the internal EU market is like a marekt of one country, it has in coinsequence also the rules like being 1 country.

    That you doesn't like it ... not to say hat it ... is unitenresting and unimportant, because it does not change the valid and legal fact! And the EU as such one market has power to the outside and right now you face it in the UK and that annoys you ... but we give a crap on it, because UK wants the Brexit not the EU. So live with the consequences and stop whining!

    What the hack is there stupid about what Juncker told? It is the full truth ... because this piece of **** playing the current US President wants to destroy the EU, because in economic the EU is not only a dangerous competitor for the USA, the EU is stonger!

    So Jucker simply told the truth and he should have told much more like "Trump, shut up!" to Washington.

    And everyone knows that the exit of the EU is possible, but due to the bunch of issues a deal has to be made about these things ... but these brainless morons of Brexit Clowns are too stupid to understndn this. This is the fact!
     
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    We are arrogant ... LOOOOOL!!!!

    The only one who is arrogant is you and not we! You think you have to demand us, a sovereign state something ... and you got a slap back for this impudence and now we are arrogant and the evil Germans again!

    Only rediculous these American morons who believe that Germany has any duty to follow the will of the US against own interests and to surrender to lies and fake news from White House!

    Think for yourself why we became from very American friendly to be much more hostile to the US withing 2 years ... The answer and reason is sitting currently in a white painted house in Washington .. the Lord of lies, ignorance and arrogance!
     
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    Germany has never been a reliable Allie. Nobody is demanding Germany pay 2% GDP for the NATO budget, that’s what Germany agreed to do. The faster the US pulls out of NATO, the better.
     
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    Sure ... we always fuillfilled the agreements and duties ... even followed you as all other NATO members to Afghanistan because you call out Article 5 after 9/11 ... but as soon as we don't submit to your will and are so impudent to stay on our own interests ... we are not reliable suddenly! Sorry, we ar enot a slave state of the USA ... get this in your head!

    And is is agreed to fullfill the 2% until 2024 as date to do ... NOT 2019!!! So what is your intention again that we shall suddenly fullfill now and not on 5 years AS IT IS AGREED???

    But I agree ... as faster the US pulls out of NATO, the better for all others ... simply because the US is nothing doing for the NATO and not fullfilling their duties anymore ... but playing the impudent and demanding troll only. On such an ally as the US is, you can renounce!
     
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    The US is the back bone of NATO, and has spent three times the GDP as Germany, which is disgraceful of Germany. NATO should have disbanded after the fall of Soviet Union, instead it was decided to expand NATO, and provoke the Russians, after they were promised that NATO wouldn’t expand past a reunified Germany. Your attitude reflects on just how the typical European is ungrateful. It pains me knowing my father, and grandfather wasted a portion of their lives standing guard in Germany against the the Soviets.
    Please start your pathetic little European army, and deal with the Russians on your own, none of you are worth one drop of American blood.
     
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    Seriously ... what do your military costs for your bases in Japan and South Korea have to do with NATO?
    What do the costs of your 10 aircraft carriers, of which a maximum of at least a bit of NATO-related, have to do with NATO in general?
    What do your costs in Iraq and Syria have to do with NATO?

    Jesus ... you alone spend 62% of the total world military spending, 98% of it for your own interests that have nothing to do with NATO!
    And yes, you are the back bone of NATO and that's why you have many privileges and in many things the say in NATO, which costs you then.

    Ingratitude? We carried our burden in the Cold War as much as you did, and it was you who asked us and the rest of NATO in 2001 for help under Article 5, which we and all did.
    Ingratitude is when you play the bastard, make demands against agreements, and say the rest of the world has to submit to your will out of gratitude. And that the reunited Germany remains in NATO was your demand, not ours.

    It hurts me to see how we have been fooled by you ungrateful Americans, though we have always fulfilled our duties and often enough have submitted to your will.
     
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    So, in your version of history, what happened the last time the USSR tried to put missiles in Cuba?
     
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    I don't think we should be making Russia feel caged in. We weren't suppose to expand NATO to eastern block countries. I do feel for those countries that were occupied by the USSR though and think we should assist in some way.
     
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    Sure ... only then should not treat Russia so bad and give a **** on their point of view, but show respect and not the idiotic "Cod War Dinosaur" play and Russia as a successor opponents of the USSR classify.

    Look at exactly when Russia is actually in the opinion of the Russia haters evil and did evil ... and what happened before everything from the West ... NATO, US, EU ... against Russia!

    Just take this idiotic missile defense in Poland and Romania as one example ... why was it stationed a long time ago?
    According to the initiator Bush Jr. it was done to defend Europe against the evil long-range Missiles of the Iranians and North Koreans ... but the weird isse is that at this time they did not exist.
    Every idiot knew it was against Rusland, but why? What did Russia do so bad and evil that they had to be stationed there? The answer is NOTHING!
     
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    Well....Abombs ended the war quickly.....otherwise many months more, and millions of lives.

    Oh I see, those mass rapes is a LIE, why, because its true. There is books about it vis....check out "Other Losses" and "Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque, check it out on Wikipedia, thid will put things in perspective for you.

    Hamburg was also bombed, and was rebuilt to a point where there was hardly any evidence.

    Dresden also would've been rebuilt, had it not been in Soviet sector......we shouldve never left Leipzig , and turned it over to Soviets.

    Yes my BS Holodomor is annoying?? It should be.....the truth hurts? So those eyewitness accounts of people whose loved ones died by NKVD stealing grain from households is some wild hallucination??

    Yeah, great Depression here in Midwest, sure....LOL, yeah there were bodies stacked 10 high here in just in SD, ....my granddad showed me pics, it was horrible vis. There were some probs ....no where near what was in SU!
     
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    In your version why did the USSR remove those missiles in Cuba? And why (in your version) did the Soviet Union put those missiles there in the first place?
     
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    Like I said, Your knowledge of history is not very good. There is a very good reason why the U.S. does not teach its citizens history: Because history contradicts phony, American propaganda.
     
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