70 years NATO birthday ...

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And right for this impudence you got simply that from us ...

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    And about the rest ... we have 179,000 active soldiers, more tanks and jets as you in the UK ... only no own nuclear weapons, because when we wanted them once, no one wanted we have them and now we won't, but could within 6 months have a full arsenal if we want. And we have not 2 rubish superfkuous Aircract carriers or nuclear submarines with Polaris Missiles... but subs no nuclear subs that ae deadly.
    You will deny that with the submariens? Remember Falkland War when Argentina used the one Gemran submarine which whas predecessor of the current one and your RN couldn't spot it and only stupidity of the Torpedo Petty Officer rescued you for the loss of one of yoru carriers.

    So ... tell me ... what are you doing for NATO again? We increased dendence investmenst within 5 years for 40% ... and you? Ehm .... nothing!
     
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    Of course. Is international hostility necessary even on an internet forum?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your knowledge of history is not very good.
     
  4. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Nice ... any why had and still has Washington the behavior, that only they have the right?
    You know ... there were some hundreds of military advisors and special forces of the US in Georgia, next to Russian border and where a civil war is existing, but any critics from Russia about are invalid and again evil Russia .... and Washington pukes fire about 100 hundred US soldiers in Venezuela! Is this correct, both?
     
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    Sorry I asked.
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And you got the answer ... because it is the shown behavior of many Americans to defend the bad behavior and the missing understanding that the US has not the alone right to decide what is wrong and good on the world!
     
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    Look in the mirror, you're the enemy Bro'.

    This EU super state German cutting its own way, not good.

    You're so vain, I bet you think EU migrants are the only people in the UK who work. Ever heard of the Windrush generation? That's a generation who built this country up after your forefathers reduced it to rubble. You're so white bred and German that, you just don't get that history and bond with the world in Germany.
    In fact, Germany tried to replicate the UK, and look what happened; A bunch of Turkish people living in Germany not wanting to be German - it failed hard, but that was the aim, to be more diverse like us.
    Meanwhile, in the UK, as ever; Philippines, Latin America, Africa, Caribbean, Asian Subcontinent all present and accounted for in the UK working just as hard as anyone else.

    That's why Germany and the EU are rude, to quickly forget about the 95% of migrants who aren't EU migrants thinking EU migrants do all the work.
    They wash cars and clean houses. That's it. Construction and healthcare is pretty diverse where I'm from.
     
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  8. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Says someone who will cut the hand off who feeds his country and large parts of your economy.

    We have enough friends ... but people who declare us to be the enemy because we don't surrender to the impudent and unreasoned will of others will see it allways other ... and in the end comes always the hint of the Nazis and WW-2.
    Boring!!!

    And again a flase flag claim from the Brexit Group ...
    I never told this ... but you ignore again and again that there are many lousy paid jobs in cour country (and my country as in any country), which no one of the population wants to do if not forced to do because no alternative ... but the jobs are still existing and no one wants that they are paid better too.
    Wake up and face facts ... this hase nothing to do with lazy as you claim ... it has to do with facts. Then tell me why no Brit is wanting to make housekeeping for minimum wage in the UK? I cann tell you: Because most don't need, because they have alternative better jobs!

    And about these 95% who are not EU migrants .... if this disturbs you, then ask you British governemnts why they didn't do laws against it, because the EU does not say you have to accept and the UK as all other members are full sovereighnity here!
     
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    I call Bull'

    Let me educate you about the UK and the EU; EU doesn't feed the UK, the UK feeds the EU, hence Brexit.

    You confuse the UK with
    • Ireland
    • Romania
    • Portugual
    • Spain
    • Greece etc..
    You suckle at the UK's teet and forget yourself.
     
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  10. Lil Mike

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    So just withdraw from NATO. Problem solved.
     
  11. Mandelus

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    Let me educate you ...
    Over 40% of all UK exports go to the EU and you are very reliant on imports from the EU in all things, aside oil and gas.
    Now let's go with the Brexit on all these exports to the EU will be then the usual and WTO compliant tariffs ... like 10% on every car produced in the UK for example ... that makes you for your EU customers very attractive in the competition to other alternatives in the EU, eh?
    And with imports it is the same, because without the imports you often lose the economical light.
    Look at history ... that has always been so, be it imports from your empire earlier or from the European continent.

    And as for the money:
    You have a GDP of $ 2,936.29 billion in 2018 and have paid $ 13 billion into the EU after subtracting your Thatcher rebate ... but get $ 7.5 billion from the EU in subsidies and EU aid, most of it for agriculture!
    Germany had a GDP of $ 3,811.20 billion in 2018, paying nearly $ 24 billion to the EU and receiving $ 10 billion in subsidies and aid from the EU. And you Britons blabber about unfair here and evil Germans ... sorry, who is the paymaster in the EU?
     
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    If 40% goes to the EU, then 60% goes to USA
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindu...ade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21
    USA, UK's number 1 export market. Facts don't lie, Germans lie, but facts don't.

    Also, UK doesn't have to be reliant on the EU. The EU is reliant on the UK to sell to.
    But the EU selling to us makes it harder on USA (UK's number 1 export market) to sell to the UK.
    So, Hard Brexit, no deal with EU, deal with USA, and EU can find somebody else to sell to.

    Why can't two countries like UK ans USA have a closer trade deal?
    The answer is the EU. Well, **** the EU!

    A hard Brexit will fix this problem since USA have already expressed a desire to increase trade with the UK if UK gets out of the EU independent and able to do so.
     
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  13. Jeannette

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    Washington consists of 'gods', who believe themselves the arbitrators of right and wrong. It happens when a culture ceases to be a Christian one, and 'hubris' makes them deities unto themselves. Don't think Germany is much better. It's decisions have been just as ill informed and evil , only that it hasn't had the power to impose them on a larger scale. Well, that is except for Clinton who spoke to the Chancellor every morning.

    But look, aren't mankind's sufferings for the common good, after all doesn't the end justify the means? So who better to decide what the 'end' should be but the self designated 'gods' of this world. Okay so the world's up in flames, but its overpopulated anyway so why not keep pitting one against the others. I mean if the gods say it's okay, then who are we to say it's not. Besides, isn't one's sexual preference the really important thing?

    I give up! :wall:


     
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    That's true. Only the opinions of Germans are correct.
     
  15. Mandelus

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    Lol ... I does not find the digtis for 2018 in moment ... if they are even published yet. Buit for 2017 they are as reported by Britishh authorities to the OEC as followed:
    Total exports: $ 395 billion
    From that:
    The United Kingdom's largest export destinations were the United States ($ 45.2 billion), Germany ($ 38.6 billion), the Netherlands ($ 24.9 billion), France ($ 24.8 billion) and China ($ 21.9 billion).

    Even if the US stands alone in the first place, your 60% in the US are total nonsense ... by fact!

    And the US and UK can not make a bilateral trade deal because the EU has a common internal market inside, with commonly agreed rules, regulations and laws. Every bilateral negotiation is like a back door to get around it all and still get its garbage into the EU single market.
    Please catch that! Although the EU is not (yet) a state, it is in trade and everyone thinks it is good, except for the British. You can not make a trade agreement with Texas, but only with the US, and that's exactly how it is here with the EU in terms of trade!
     
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    My opinion! Germany could have worked with Britain rather than use hard handed methods as if they're naughty children. But then again, maybe there's an inner animosity going back to when Churchill bombed them into the stone age. I predict that Germany's desire to hurt Britain is going to destroy the EU as well. Not too smart!
     
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    Like these lame 2% discussion: All NATO members, including the USA, agreed in 2014 in Wales that all should reach the goal of 2% until 2024!

    So ... what kind of right has Trump (and others) to demand suddenly from Germany that it has right now to capture the 2%? Explaim me this please ...
     
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    This is not that far fetched Jeannette ... because as the comments of such a Brexit advocate in this forum and in other forums shows, there is an idiotic mixture of ...

    - Sadness about the lost Empire and the status as a world power of yesteryear with "Britannia rules the waves" ...
    - Lack of knowledge about the EU and its institutions and who decides what in the EU and who decides how to do something
    - bitterness as one the winner of World War II over this evil Krauts not to be the number one in Europe in terms of economic power these days and being behind Germany.

    Especially with the latter, it is clear in my opinion that we would not even have this idiotic Brexit, if UK and Germany would change the order in this regard. Then the British feel well again and powerful ...
     
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    https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-quotes-of-the-year-2017/

    “The newly elected U.S. president was happy that Brexit was taking place, and asked other countries to do the same. And if he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas.”
    — European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker in response to Donald Trump's support for Brexit.

    IT'S NOT LEGAL FOR A US STATE TO LEAVE THE USA ONCE IT'S JOINED THE USA.
    IT IS LEGAL FOR A COUNTRY TO LEAVE THE EU ONCE IT'S JOINED THE EU.

    Even a baby knows this, so the EU should know better than to say such foolishness in 2016/2017 like Trump supporting Brexit so the EU should support the independence of Ohio.

    Let me repeat;

    IT'S NOT LEGAL FOR A US STATE TO LEAVE THE USA ONCE IT'S JOINED THE USA.
    IT IS LEGAL FOR A COUNTRY TO LEAVE THE EU ONCE IT'S JOINED THE EU.

    and that's the difference, how stupid can the EU be to even utter such garbage.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have news for you, the greatest fear Washington always had is that Germany and Russia will unite. According to Friedman of Stratfor, Washington's policy has always been to keep them separate, but it only worked as long as the US footed the bills. Bye-bye Germany!
     
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    So ... and what do you want to say here?

    You want the Brexit, we accept it, but you Brexit Clowns does not get that this needs an agreement as every divorce! It is not a "Bye, we a re quitt issue" and it is not only your payments and received momney to and from the EU and the trade and Ireland issue... the list iof things which need to be clariefied and agreed is a mile long ...!

    Simple Example I gave several times: Insolin for diabetics....

    90% of the insulin you need comes from various EU countries. This is not a problem in the single market, but if you leave because ...

    a) your British laws prohibit the import of insolin as if it came from the Congo and requires a permit and agreement with the country of origin ....
    b) the export according to EU law is also prohibited without agreement and approval!

    And now? No deal and bright on the diabetis patients, we will get from somewhere else insulin, because the main and important thing nothing, but nothing at all with the EU agreed for the Brexit?
    Tell me ... how stupid can you be in the UK?
     
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    It isn't a question of right. He can request whatever he likes just like you can.
     
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    Sure ... but we have the right to refute and say No with hint on Wales agreement ... what males us then to be the victim of the shitstorm form him and the others.
     
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    I would rather say ... it only works as long as the US does not manage to annoy Germany too much with outrageous demands and insults and lies.

    And in this regard, Donald Trump has already destroyed a lot of friendly atmosphere in 2 years, what was once build up in hard work for many decades of "Pro USA" in Germany!
    There is a limit ... my limit is slowly reached with this insolent **** ********** ***** ****** ****** in White House and his mindless, dumbfounded followers in the US!
     
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    You hate any American president that doesn’t bow down to Europe.
     

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