someone should create an anti gun policing force that gets rented by cities/states

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    I bet you forgot that AR15s are not full autos....
    I suggested that the AR15 be made a class three weapon. Maybe you forgot it is not a full auto, but you seem to have. And you’re the guy who is the claimed expert ? All I ever did was train and use m16 during a shooting war . Wtf do I know ? I was busy ducking then worry about your claimed expertise.
    These are advanced military weapons, and should be regulated. High cap semi autos should be too....but that’s another discussion.

    “However, during the years of the assault weapons ban, the typical mass shooter killed or injured fewer than 11 people. The drop-in victims per mass shooting during the assault weapons ban is substantial. On average, mass shootings during the assault weapons ban victimized fewer people, and killed fewer people…”
     
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    You seem confused. Let’s try again. Are you under the impression that class 3 weapon means full auto currently?

    I bet you have no idea why this is meaningless. Lol
     
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    I’m confused ? Mr expert, you’re confused.
    It’s a class of weapon based upon the requirements needed for possession. It does not define a weapon type. It defines a regulation requirement. Not only that, but each state can define the class for their own regulation purpose. I would like to see high cap semi auto hand guns class three also. I carried a .357 mag during the 10 years as a cop.
    9 mm Semi autos were jammatics then....but we still feared the s.h.it out of them. Getting shot at by one is like being in a fking war zone.
    But, the crowd you hang with didn’t have to see the results like we medics did.
     
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    Of courses it’s meaningless to gunners. Your idea of ballistics is what you can read in a book, not what you can see in an OR.
     
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    With the above serving as nothing more than an example of being unable to address the points that were raised.
     
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    Simply because the process of legally acquiring a class three firearm is considered "easy" due to what is involved, does not mean there is any actual reason or legitimate purpose for treating all firearms in the same manner.

    The only reason the process holds any measure of legitimacy, is because it applies only to specific and limited types of firearms. If the process is expanded to apply to all firearms equally, and thus claiming that a handgun is indistinguishable from a fully-automatic firearm or a rocket-propelled grenade, then the process loses all legitimacy and serves no reason for existence.
     
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    Because those who call for greater firearm-related regulations and restrictions, have also at one point or another voiced their support for total firearm prohibitions.

    One does not get to claim support of both regulations and prohibitions, and then complain when those who would be affected refuse to separate the two standards from one another.
     
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    From claimed experts who can’t expess themselves like an expert should be able to. Telling. I’m no expert, I just have practice knowledge and trust the research done by real life experts. Try it some time.
     
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    It’s easy. Should not trouble for the average law abiding citizen. Heck, getting a drivers license is harder, and more people need a car then a gun.
     
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    Seems a little ridiculous considering you have no statistics. Firearm laws have come and gone. I’ve had a conceal carry permit for 30 years and it’s no harder getting one now then before. You fears are unfounded.
     
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    No claim of being an expert was made on the part of myself. It is simply recognized how so-called "experts" can be wrong, when they are wrong, and when what they present is being misinterpreted for the sake of presenting a politically-motivated narrative at all costs.
     
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    The paperwork required for legally taking possession of a class three firearm is simple, but the wait time is unjustifiably long. There is no legal justification, read none whatsoever, for requiring every individual who wishes to legally purchase a single, commonly available firearm, to wait six months to a year just to get permission to legally do so. The only reason the process currently holds anything in the way of legitimacy, is simply because it does not apply to every single type of firearm, and every single firearm on the market. The moment that changes, that legitimacy is gone.

    Operation of a motor vehicle on a public right of way is a privilege granted by government. Owning a firearm is a constitutional right. The two are not comparable to one another, so stop trying.
     
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    Where are the statistics on the part of yourself?

    Then if firearm-related restrictions can actually be undone, what is ultimately the point of trying to have them implemented in the first place?

    Those who have actually lived through dictatorships and can attest to the harm done to the people will claim otherwise, and state that said fears are not unfounded, but rather justified. Why should their experiences and warnings be dismissed out of hand as if what they went through is irrelevant?
     
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    Trump the dictator wannabe is irrelevant ?
     
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    Since you keep avoiding the question, I’ll take your answer to mean yes, you think class 3 means full auto currently.
    You were never in law enforcement or any branch of the military.
    You are not a medic either.
     
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    So you don’t know why it’s meaningless. I didn’t think so.
     
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    You do not have a concealed carry permit.
     
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    Wow. You walk right into it. You guys spend so much time making falsehoods, you think it’s normal. That’s the fifth time in several poss you’ve been wrong.
     
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    Well, you’re partially right. I’m not a medic in the armed forces anymore. But you’re still bloviator. That will never change. You’re a braggart for life.
     
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    I have yet to be wrong in this thread. You have never been in any branch of the military. You have never been involved in law enforcement. You are not a medic, and you do not have a ccw permit.
     
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    You are not a medic, nor were you ever in any branch of the military.
     
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    Seems like its in need of an amendment, but since the right refuses to agree to a real amendment to fix the issues with the supreme court we still have a court system that is controlled by congress and that you could put anyone from anywhere on. The right wing refuses to support making the number constitutionally 9. Having 18 year term limits that rotate allowing for each president to have 2 appointments. Requiring the senate to block nominees with 2/3 with in 60 days instead of approve.

    We could also throw in requirements to become a justice and give the court actual power like constitutional review, but alas the right wing hates solutions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Maryland

    MD does a lot and I would not be suprised to see them ban guns if the ruling is overturned.

    You could easily stop illegal sellers by giving police the right to shoot anyone who does not instantly surrender who is seen selling guns on the street or who is seen armed going illegally into mexico or into the US. Would stop that nonsense real quick, they would not risk their lives to seel illegal guns

    Require people to turn them in and pay people for ratting out their neighbors.

    If it has worked in all the other Euro centrist nations it will work in the US. All that one must do is pass a law requiring registration but not changing anything else. Then after they do that, then go after specific types and take advantage of the information given to you in good faith
     
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    The only one caught in anything is that which can be proven.
    It’s apparent I have more knowledge about what the military acquisition of material and what it entails and how that material defined. That was part of my non active duty job at a clinic. ( yes)
    You guys try to use a military definition as a universal one for “assault weapons”. That’s laughable. Does that prove I was in the military if I call you out in it ? ? Obviously not but it does show how slanderous you became when caught in a serious of poorly thought out statements. Anyone in law enforcement would also know that state regulations are also locally defined in a glossary about each regulation. You obviously did not, and I did. Case closed.
     
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    Reported for falsely accusing me of lying.
    You have never been in any branch of the military.

    This is entirely incoherent.
     
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    I’ve refuted every “argument” you’ve put forth, and corrected many of your incorrect statements. Lol
     

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