Alabama’s Draconian Abortion Ban Has Women On Twitter Ready To Fight

Woman do not have the right to kill unborn children who are also individuals

 

Probably one of the dumbest attempts at an analogy I have heard in quite a while.

 

Ahhh but wait NOW it is an 11 year old raped by her father and now in a coma that we must base all our laws concerning abortion.

 

You don't "get" much. What I am trying to explain to you is that you can't point to a provision of the Bill of Rights ( the 9th) that says "there are other rights beyond what we list here" and jump immediately to "those unenumerated rights therefore include everything I personally want to be there, including abortion."

You have to understand the backdrop of all this. If it were up to James Madison, there would have been no Bill of Rights at all, and he had good reasons. But not because he was a totalitarian, LOL. Au contraire.

His point was that the Framers didn't need to say that, for example, property can't be taken without due process of law because government lacks power to do that in the first place. Same with freedom of the press and right to bear arms. It just mucks up the analysis to start listing things, exactly as he warned.

To apply his thinking on abortion, you may be able to void a law limiting abortion in your particular case, but not because it's a "right," but because government has no business "going there" in the first place. It's ultra vires, like passing laws requiring the study of metallurgy.

This actually is what most pro choicers say, and it's what they really mean. ("Stay out of my womb.") But they're so worked up over this nebulous concept of "rights" that they just confuse the discussion, as you are doing now.

 

It's a fact. Read my post above on Madison and, if you're fair (you're not) you'll have evidence of my superiority over you, in this area at least.

By the way, Michael Cohen has now admitted that he may have misinterpreted Trump's directive that he cooperate with congress. (He originally and strangely took it to mean he was supposed to lie.) Admissions like this are what establishes reasonable doubt.

You can't just hear one side of the story and be trusted to make legal decisions. That's why you'll never get to serve on a jury in a case involving Trump.

Capiche?

 

By any standard they are interchangeable and I see a baby at that stage of a babies life so when the pro-abortion side screams IT'S NOT A BABY they are by all measures WRONG. As I saw it when I majored in biology for the two years I went to college. They are the ones trying in their minds to deny the facts and that babies are ONLY born human beings which belies the English language as has been used for centuries and as I correctly use here. Why they have to try and change the meanings of words to support their position and ignore the medical and scientific facts to maintain their positions is quite telling.

 

What you offer me sir, is pure legal sophistry.

The Ninth says what is says and means what it says. I speak English as a primary language. The men of 1787 had far more common sense than today's spoonfed and indoctrinated American.

Likely you're letting your Judeo-Christian dogma rule your rational mind. Keep it in church, I say.

 

Exactly

So that millions of reckless party girls can continue their libertine lifestyle

 

No, what I offer you is history. It's written down in the convention debates. In English.

Research "Madison and the Bill of Rights" if you can take time out from trolling.

 

Now you want to outlaw MASTURBATION??

Skoptsi on the way next

 

Glad that you have recognized just how dumb your analogy was.

Mission accomplished!

 

Obviously one of us is not "capicheing" and isn't me!

Abortion was LEGAL and widely practiced WHEN our nation was FOUNDED ergo it was INCLUDED under the UNENUMERATED rights.

You have utterly FAILED to dispute the CREDIBLE SOURCE proving that to be the case.

If this is how you pretend to be an "expert" on the Constitution it is little wonder that you are not prevailing.

You have not and can not provide anything to prove that abortion was illegal when the nation was founded because abortion WAS legal.

 

The fetus compromises the woman's immune system very early on, I think almost from conception.....

IF the fetus was totally independent from the woman it's in:

A. Why would it be there?

B. How does it cause all the damage it does to a woman's body?

 

NO - so that woman who has been raped isn't FORCED to go through the further trauma of invasive pelvic exams and court trials to rid herself of her rapist's fetus. So that a woman suffering from manic depression isn't FORCED to go off her meds for nine months when she is in no mental state to carry a fetus to term. So that women with high blood pressure or diabetes aren't FORCED to carry a fetus to term when it creates dozens of possible life altering complications. That's why abortion needs to remain available.

 

Well, there are two things in the universe you can't argue with, science and faith. I'll stick with science. Because under your premise: If a fetus is a baby, and a fetus is "sperm plus egg", then menstruation and masturbation, are homicidal actions. And that's just nonsense; as is the anti-life message of those pretending to be for life under the "Pro-Life" banner.

 

Nah, there potential children. You are very sloppy with your concepts. You are aware of that? It's like you are wiriting 2+3=6 because 2 and 3 are the same, they are numbers. This is a very bad epistemology.

 

And demonstrates admirably how the whole existence of the fetus is part of the mother's physiology and remains so until the umbilical cord is cut.

 

I dont think anyone is going to change their mind after all the comments made so far

My guess is that the unelected demigods on the Supreme Court will overturn the will of the people in alabama

They must or they wont get invited to parties within their lib social circle in washington

But the Georgia law should stand

 

No, they are distinct human beings at a different stage of life

 

And once agin, you avoid the reality of the woman in the equation. To you, she is just an incubator - nothing more. Her health means nothing to you. She could already be raising two kids, and her circumstance, or health drastically change, and that means nothing to you. She could be a 16 year old rape victim with suicidal thoughts - and that means nothing to you. Pro-life, my ass.

 

We are all just repeating ourselves now

If the SC overturns the alabama law you win

If it upholds the georgia law I win

But either way its out if our hands now

 

No - you don't get it. The mother is just a condo for the fetus. She is only an incubator. The fetus can just rent another condo if it wants because it is completely separate from the mother ... sarcasm set to high.

 

Neither you or I "win" - because NEITHER of us any skin in this game. We will never have to make the decision because WE are just backseat drivers ... and ones not even in the car. You just don't get it. It's a discussion for and about women.

And the country already tried anti-abortion laws - for decades - they were complete failures. Those with means simply took "vacations" and the poor found less savory solutions. Only a few poor people were ever taken to court over these laws. Then Operation Jane kicked in and the poor were given free bus rides to clinics. There are realistically only 10 states that are going to change abortion laws if given the chance - so a quick bus ride over the line and once again, the laws will be failures.

That is reality.

 

Here are a few big winners:

Medical tourism
Abortion drugs
Black market abortions
Prison for profit
Bureaucrats

While we already have thousands of children who will never see the inside of a permanent. loving home, those who claim to care about them only want to add to the number of children growing up in "The system". I am curious where the concern goes once they take their first breath?

 

I was.
No.


Are you a christian?
Do you agree with what the bibles says? Seems like you don't care what the bible says.