Kushner's "deal of the century" falls flat on it's face

Israel just wants to be left alone. They want the rocket attacks to stop. They're tired of having to respond.

 

Touche! I was hoping you'd see that. You were on top of it! Also, you are the first person I have encountered in months... maybe, years... who have any regard for Palestinians at all. It's a pity, really. They could have it SO good, but they choose to live in squalor, anger, and poverty.

Think: we lavish immense amounts of money in both Israel and Egypt, and Palestine could share in all the prosperity. Plus, Israel would be more than willing to allow many more Palestinians into Israel for gainful employment, if only they would behave themselves in a predictably civilized manner. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!"

At any rate, they'd better hope that Iran doesn't cause a war to get started in the Persian Gulf or it is most likely that the first thing that will happen is that Israel will immediately launch attacks on Hezbollah (everywhere) and militant groups in Palestine. Iran itself will be left for us and the Brits to deal with, and we'll remove the 'problem' there by extracting all the 'teeth' the Iranian military has. But, if you care about Palestinians, hope with all your heart that Iran doesn't get a war going with anybody.

 

According to the Jew, it's their God. And look at them buggers go massacring around in and outside Israel to thieve the land of civilians.

 

According to the Jew, it's their God. And look at them buggers go massacring around in and outside Israel to thieve the land of civilians.

 

You go ahead and prove it.

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My point was ambiguous, sorry. I meant that the God of the bible said that
He would drive the Jews out of their land if they did not obey the law of Moses.
This God said that He would bring the Jews back twice - that proved to be the
return from Babylon and the return "from all that nations" there had been the
Jew's "graves."
In other words what was done to the Jews was no different than what was
done to the Canaanites.

As an aside. One of the sins of the Jews was in NOT driving out the Canaanites.
As a result the Jews adopted their pagan practices.

 

This is the sort of arrogance that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. It's better to be seen honoring the rules even if you're working over someone who might even deserve a swift kick.

 

It's all nonsense.

 

So why do the Palestinians REJECT EVERY OFFER the Jews and the International
Community offer them? Just a few years back the Palestinians were offered 97% of
their land back and Jerusalem as their capital. They rejected it.
In 1948 the Palestinians rejected 100% of the West Bank.
And the happiest Arabs are those that live in Israel. Go figure.
Please explain.

 

Israel wants Jerusalem and other parts of the Judea and Samaria. Ain't that simple.

 

just as Muhammed and his lemmings stole land throughout the Middle East.

Allah gave the Torah to the Jews, and commanded them to conquer Canaan.

its what the Koran and Hadiths say.

meanwhile Allah committed genocide against the people of Egypt

 

The UN never proposed an offer. Jews and the US made offers,... while we know the US is fanatically pro Jews. And they rejected it, because the proposals were utterly ridiculous. It basically would make Palestina a defenseless country with the IDF marching all over it, having control over the movement of the civilian population etc. And also the right to drain the water out of the WB.

Israel would never accept such an offer if the Palestinians came up with it.

 

The Arabs rejected the UN Partition Plan.

They rejected the 1949 borders.

They rejected the Camp David Accords.

They rejected Taba.

They rejected the Geneva Accords.

They reject the Olmert Plan.

The Palestinians have NEVER, not ONCE, proposed a comprehensive peace deal between Israel and Palestine that deals with Jerusalem, the Refugees, land swaps, the settlements.

One must take from all this that either that Palestinians simply dont want independence or are unable to want it.

Either Israel needs to rule them or Jordan, but they appear totally incapable of ruling themselves.

such a pitty

 

It's a totally militarized country. They live in fear of being run over, get a knife in their neck, or some bomb being dropped on them, to even being nuked at some point.

I envy that "success".

 

they are a strong, vibrant, intelligent, creative people.

the envy of the Middle East.

and the Palestinians have nothing.

 

It did not include the right of self determination. The plan was jerry mandered in such a way that the Jew would be just over 50%

You think Israel would ever give up their rights to control their border zone to Palestine?
Because the Jews demanded this in that Olmert Plan.
No country would accept it.
Insanity.

 

well now the Arab has nothing and the Jew has it ALL.

I guess "thanks" are in order.

i look forward to the Arabs rejecting another peace offer.

 

in 1949 the Jews offered the borders for full peace.

Arabs said no.

now the Jews have it all.

 

Drain the water? That sounds like Palestinian propaganda. The only time I read of
any water war was the events leading to the Six Day War when Syria sought to
divert the waters of the Jordan. I understand that Israel provides water to the Arabs.

America isn't so pro-Jew. It refused to supply arms to Israel in 1948 and 1967.
Israel tried to shoot down American spy planes over Israel's nuclear facility.
America went back on its support for the UN partition plan.
America ultimately, like all countries, supports American interests.

As an aside, it was Stalin and the USSR which was a key to the creation and
defense of Israel.

 

And the Syrians refused to negotiate the Golan for peace, and
now the Jews have it.

 

I think the moral of the story is it's better to work with the Jews than to mess with them.

 

Nobody in Israel lives in fear anymore. Thanks to your second intifada, Israel built an awesome wall that keeps out all the terror thugs. So now terrorist attacks are virtually non-existent inside Israel.

 

If you will believe it. Says in the Old Testament that the Jews will come a second time
to their land and take it back with the sword - yet strangely (to the readers back then)
live in cities without walls. This was written before the Babylonian captivity BTW.
The wall these days is the border wall, both above and below ground (and there's
another technology Israel can sell the world.)

 

Arabs that chose to stay in Israel after the war were given citizenship and voting tights

The rest were urged/told to keave by the muslim leaders

 

The Jews are a rebellious people by nature and havs always tried God’s patience

BUt they have always been His chosen people