Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

we have free will. Love, by definition, demands a choice.

 

It’s not free if god knows what we are going to do, and condones it.

 

RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
⁜→ The Amazing Sam's Ego, Gelecski7238, et al,

When we imply that a given statement is fact, we are implying that the basic procedures, where followed that ensure their experimental results are credible (sound and valid). We all learned this in High School as: "The Scientific Method." If the procedure, methodology and experimental tests cannot be reproduced with the same outcome, the result is NOT scientific.

The theory must be examined, the methodology scrutinized and the tests of the hypothesis verified.

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In 1656, an Philosoperof the time, Robert Turner, translated and Ancient Hebrew Codex which was a Cabalistic Key for specific operations that was (what was believed to be) of an origin from the supernatural (beyond scientific explanation than just as it is beyond scientific explanation today). It was concerning Knowledge, → revealed to King Solomon (son of King David and Bathsheba, a millennium BCE), by the Most High Creator (The Supreme Being) through the Creator's Archangels who served according to Divine Will (of The Supreme Being) by ministering to Solomon → in perfection → with the knowledge of every Science, Art, and Wisdom; and of every Faculty of Memory, Intelligences, Understanding, and Intellect.

It was understood by many that the Supreme Being "created the Heaven and the
Earth, and all things out of nothing" (something of a controversy even today in theoretical physics); who reformest, and makes all things by thy own Spirit (another supernatural concept); complete, restore, and implant. It is within the Cabalistical Key that (centuries before Aristotle and Socrates) that the concept of "infinity" (∞) begins to emerge as something that is unlimited, endless, or without a boundary ["World Without End (WWE → so be it!)].

("death is proof that sin exists")

This requires some serious investigatory logic. The original sin (inherited from Adam & Eve and the Apple) requires an understanding as to the nature of the offense.

◈ Was the offence the taking (theft) of the Apple?
◈ Was the offense the disobedience of the Supreme Being?
◈ Was the offense becoming knowledgeable of the potential of deception (lies by the serpent)?

◈ What was the sin?
◈ Was it possible to avoid the sin?
◈ Was sin something the Supreme Being made known to Adam and Eve?​

What was the knowledge base of Adam and Eve prior to the Apple incident? Did they know that the serpent was a fallen Archangel?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

No matter adam and eve tried, they were still gonna sin, but I wouldnt say no matter how hard they tried they were still gonna take the forbidden fruit.

 

Those dummies didn't know the Jesus character from a tree. Read the fairy tale.

 

Let’s go back to square one and work through the crucial dynamics. To save time and space, intricacies such as decoherence, entanglement, and quantum tunneling can be bypassed.

The truth about reality is perceived based on (1) information received from the environment via the physical senses, (2) the comprehension and mental analysis of said info, and (3) same as (2) except the info is data (facts and logic). Through long-term repetition (practice) of (1) and (2), an individual becomes convinced of the reliability, accuracy, and consistency of his assessment of reality.

Technical analysis of the components of physical reality has revealed properties and functional interactions not detectable by the physical senses but transmittable to the individual as comprehendible data. Said data includes quantum physics, much of which is contradictory to the standard laws of physics and is counterintuitive.

Said data is incongruent with the commonplace understanding of reality and tends to provoke a natural reaction: skepticism, dismay, indignation, doubt about the validity of said data, a tendency to reject it, and likely attempts at rationalized contention.

The bottom line: said data is scientifically established. Physical reality (atoms) is largely empty space and various energy fields having some aspects modifiable in certain circumstances by conscious awareness at some stage of material manifestation (as evident in the double slit experiment). Wave/particle duality is at work. Objective physical reality harbors a subjective precursor factor. Wave energy masquerades as physical particles. Knowledge of this was achieved by the 1930’s, but the general population has been slow to catch on.

A reasonable conclusion is that physical reality is a construct (and is also indistinguishable from a virtual reality, a separate issue). It qualifies as illusory since it is not what it seems to be. IAW it is not inherently solid and is only superficially solid as a result of emergent properties.

You can continue with your rationalized contention if you prefer. That’s your business. Else you can try to get up to speed with the rest of the flow.
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No, not at all. Since you probably read my post #1435 that you quoted, part of my explanation is in this part:

Electromagnetic fields impair fertility, whereas magnetic fields improve it. Episodes of extreme minimal sunspot activity along with increased ionizing radiation has coincided with mini ice ages, drought, and equatorial population crashes involving excessive infant mortality due to DNA aberrations. This was the scenario of the collapsing Mayan civilization in 750 A.D. (627 A.D. and +/- 187 years = 440 A.D. – 814 A.D.) at which time the sun’s magnetic polarity flipped, as it does every 3,740 years according to coded info in various tombs and pyramids.

God grows when purified souls return, and in large numbers as a result of large-scale catastrophes. Those who do not qualify reincarnate to try again while supporting the next human herd. Those who qualify have done so in celibacy that allows energy to be focused upwards into the crown chakra, hence the halo of light given off as depicted for Christ, The Buddha, some saints, and various gods/goddesses. The 144,000 is this light, not a forehead branding, but is Einstein’s 300,000 meters per second speed of light in the form of arc minutes per second along the curvature of the earth as determined by Bruce Cathie starting in the 1950s, enabling it to circle earth plus inhabitants (the beast) 6.66 times per second.

When Onan spilled his seed, God slew him (Gen 38:8-10).

…Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe…and cast it into the great wine-press of the wrath of God…and blood came out of the wine-press….(Rev 14:18-20).

The big picture that I see goes beyond your perspective on sin/death etc. This world is our kindergarten. We make mistakes and learn from them (sometimes the hard way). As it says in scripture, God values repentant sinners more than the sinless.

We are not fallen because of sin, but more like involuntary pilgrims. Thus death is not punishment for sin, but is a feature of the established recycling and refinement scheme. The chance to "live forever" involves more than a sign-up allegiance and runaway belief; it requires a progression towards higher qualitation.

 

In regard to your above response to Infrared, note that in recent news, scientists have identified a single gene in all other primates that gives them almost total protection from arterial/heart disease. Humans lost that gene during an evolutionary mutation, I think it was cited as either 2 million or 200,000 years ago.

 

So, God knows all things, except himself. He never knew ahead of time man would sin, so he makes a plan without considering it ?

 

Boy, that’s a lot of woo woo !

 

dagosa said: ↑
So you’re admitting God is just a mean SOB who created us to sin and suffer and die and watch us doing it, knowing all the time how the story ends.

What has "free will " got to do with suffering, birth defects, deformities, pain, disease, horrible accidents, killer tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, heat and all the suffering and dying that goes with all that?.....

Since when do we have the free will to avoid those things???

 

Looks like you're having a hard time seeing through the religious fog. Or rather you're heavy on the empiricist mindset.

 

None of the above. It's all priestly stage props. The author of Gen 1 was the Elohist. The author of Gen 2 was the Jhwhist. Gen 2:5 ("...there was not a man to till the earth.") contradicts Gen 1:26-27 and is proof that Gen 1 is a later phony substitute (unless Gen 1 is an addition).

 

A little of both. I don’t believe you can learn differential calculous doing transcendental meditation ( or in prayer) . Am sure some have tried it, it didn’t work. Yes, the religious jargon is big on fog, by design I bet.

 

RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
⁜→ Gelecski7238, et al,

I'm sorry. I don't know what this means.

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The complexity of proofs (evidence establishing or a fact or truth of a statement) in classical logic is NOT based on any form which is centered on a faith-based concept (as an apparatus adequate for deductions). Use of Biblical data sets of an unknown allegory that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden (supernatural) meaning(s) is something outside the boundaries of science. If a hypothesis cannot form a prediction and an outcome that can → be verified by tests; it cannot be a fact/truth subject to the scientific methodology.

You and I are speaking two different languages.

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◈ Are we talking about something that can be tested?

◈ Are we talking about a faith-based belief?​

The answers will set the framework (scientific 'vs' theological).

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Hense, the opening paragraph in my Commentary (Posting $1453) supra.

Most Respectfully,
R

Source Interpretation
proof text, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible, 622–24. systematic theology

 

Knock yerself out. I've no need, trust me.

 

XCERPTRE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
⁜→ Edagosa, et al,

Funny you should mention that.

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I started out to be a Theoretical Physicist. But then, I took the Calculus Series at The Ohio State. I had to settle for being a Field Engineer. I prayed heavily in that calc series; more than I did in my entire tour in Vietnam. You may notice my avatar.

✦ The bold center-piece is: I will study with focus and intensity.
✦ The arc of symbols to the lower right are (Top to Bottom):

◈ Ward-off Negativity

◈ Ward-off Exploitation

◈ Safeguard

◈ Protection
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✦ The Center-piece is flanked on both sides the initial Sigil (RCSN). On the left in is my Sigil initials in Cuneiform; on the right is Hebrew.​

I still pay my respects to the forces of the Universe.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Ha ha
I’m sure the prayer might have left you more focused, something like meditation. That’s really how I look at prayer. But you’ll do a lot better practicing differentiating 10 equations then saying 10 “our fathers” and 10 “ hail mary’s“
Math came much easier to me then spelling. ( calcul(o)us)

 

RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
⁜→ dagosa, et al,

You are probably correct.

(JUST FOR THOUGHT)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Quantum theory was not discovered by rejecting the senses. It was discovered through extensive observation and experimentation of real world happenings that could no longer be explained by Newtonian physics.

 

RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
⁜→ dagosa, et al,

Again, you "may be right."

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Quantum Mechanics (QM) is NOT a total answer. It is a tool to explain the activity of that which is extremely small. But thus far, QM does not explain all observations. But then, the application of General Relativity (GR) is also one of the most successful theories in physics today.

In any event, in the practical world, we will never dispose of Classical Mechanics. For explaining the everyday events of our lives.

It is important to not that researches have yet to successfully merge QM with GR. (Something is amiss.)

Obsevations are not what we consider absolute. The example is that visible cosmic objects seem to not account for the gravitational effects galactic size systems. Or our obseravtion cannot explain the comutational predictions. But these tools insist that there is some unknown form of matter and energy. These tools suggest that our observations may be wrong.

The suggestion that only 4% of the constituent components of the universe are known to us, doesn't exactly inspire confidence the concept of Dark Matter and Dark Energy is real.



Most Respectfully,
R

 

Science is limited by the range of the tools we have to observe the Universe. Math has no such limitations which enables it to explore the Quantum aspects of our Universe. Math predicted the existence of the Higgs Boson half a century before we were able to prove that it exists. Quantum Theory predicts that there are 10 dimensions. We do not have the tools to explore those other dimensions but when we do we might well discover the remaining 96% of the Universe.

 

Thus far, there are no “total answers.” But, just like rejecting the God of the tides in favor of a scientific reason for their existence, we move on. Making up stories and assigning human qualities to our “Gods” has proven futile and wrong. It’s as relevant as deciding that “god” created a savior in his image more like a cow. Why is our species so special ? When modern science assigns intel to all aspects of life, including the ability to communicate, you’d think the whale would be a better focus for a “God’s” fairy tales.

 

I am right. It’s historically true.
General relativity, an early idea of Einstein needed specific observable verification of an Englishman Eddington leading* to the other cornerstone of modern physics, quantum theory.
The understanding and use of one depends upon the work done in the other.

It’s like Newtonian physics necessitated the development of Calculus, the use of mathematics in taking the observable world to make predictive outcomes. Without both, we have no MRIs, cell phones and an economy that is directly dependent upon quantum physics. Think of it the next time you run short of cash in one realm, then stop at an ATM and literal enter the scary world of quantum theory to down load permission to walk away with several hundreds in cash.

No, God didn’t just co-sign your loan.

 

Science does not and cannot answer all the questions our universe and reality hold, but it accepts and embraces it while trying anyway. Theism simply chalks it all up to an unknown deity and stagnates. I prefer admitting my ignorance and trying to lessen it.