Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

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  1. rahl

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    Except you are fully aware that they aren’t weapons of war, or ever intended to be. Which is why no military on earth issues them.
     
  2. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    Except that you, rahl, know they are weapons of war, having been intended as such.
     
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    No one present in the discussion is speaking about nuclear weaponry except for yourself. No rifle is comparable to nuclear devices.

    And yet countless millions of private individuals in the united states who currently possess such firearms, are managing to refrain from engaging in mass murder, and instead are engaged in legal firearms usage with such.

    And before the argument attempted on the part of yourself tries to claim the number of such firearms cannot possibly be that high, think again:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/13/own...nder-renewed-fire-after-orlando-massacre.html

    "Sales have been brisk for U.S. gun makers in the last decade. The number of total firearms made topped 10 million in 2013, the latest data available from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. That's more than double the industry's output in 2008."

    The number of just AR-15 rifles in private ownership was over ten million six years ago. Add in every other firearm that is classified as a so-called "assault weapon" and that number becomes significantly higher.

    Then the responsibility was on the part of yourself to specify such.

    Such pertains exclusively to the fully-automatic AK-47 rifle that is produced abroad in various countries. The semi-automatic AK-47 rifle available in the united states, and marketed under a number of different titles, can only be set to safe or semi-automatic.

    This is the safety selector of a fully-automatic AK-47.

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    Do note it has three positions and even includes markings to demonstrate such.

    This is the safety selector of a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle.

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    Do note it has exactly two positions, with no middle position for fully-automatic capabilities, thus rendering it semi-automatic only in functionality.
     
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    Semi-automatic firearms with detachable magazines have been available to the general public since the start of the twentieth century. Even the same types of semi-automatic firearms the united states military eventually adopted for general issue. Thus nothing on that particular matter has actually changed. The only thing that has changed is the perception of society, but that perception is immaterial and irrelevant since it is devoid of fact.
     
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    Which the united state supreme court has already ruled against. It has stated that the criminal misuse of a firearm is not a legitimate reason to restrict the legal use, ownership, and acquisition of such firearms.
     
  6. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    No they actually aren't. This statement, regardless of how often it is repeated, is factually incorrect.

    The US military does not use AR15's for war and no military on earth issues WASR-10 AK-47's to it's troops. The British Army issued Steyr Aug is not the same firearm that is available for sale at my local gun store.

    Yes they look similar, but they are not the same. Those who know even a little bit about firearms know that when we say "AK-47" when talking about civilian use the correct terminology is "AK-47 style" or "AK-47 platform".

    I do not own any actual AK-47s, I own various AK-47 style semi-automatic rifles. Nobody actually talks like that so when discussing firearms that I own I say "AK-47" it's common knowledge that I don't mean real ones issued to the Russian Army.
     
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    In that case, no registered democrat should be allowed to own a weapon.
     
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    You realize that explanation of the most basics in firearms is a futile effort when talking to libs right?
     
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    This and other posts demonstrate the liberal belief in thought crimes - as Orwell wrote about.
     
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    I still explain it in the open forum in the hopes that others may read it and understand. Although the number is diminishing there are still some folks out there who legitimately believe that US citizens are walking around with M4's. I'll never forget that infamous day when a US Senator stood on stage with like a Bushmaster AR-15 and said that US citizens should not be allowed to own machine guns like this.

    Nowadays I think most folks have figured out that AR-15s are not machine guns so now the terminology has shifted to "assault rifle" which is also factually incorrect but it's a hill they are willing to die on it seems.

    I'm all for having a legitimate discussion about firearms as long as folks actually understand what they are talking about. Ignorance of firearms is still a pretty big thing. Hell the last few pages of this thread were folks trying to argue that people don't hunt with AR-15s....While many may see this as playing semantics it's really not. It is very important to understand the distinction between civilian use semi-auto rifles and military issued assault weapons.
     
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    so you think fanatical racists should be cops?
     
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    semi-auto hunting rifles can be made into automatic machine guns with a rubber band or the belt trick.

    a group of civilians with these AR-15s can deputize a militia and train for gorilla tactics like the military does
     
  13. JakeStarkey

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    You just can't win this. They were designed for war, whether they are no longer used by militaries.

    You can't get around it.
     
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    Same here..I have no tolerance for men with small “weapons” fighting for guns that can kill people in seconds, You know the same guys that think everyone who supports gun control must be a feminist. Obviously we have different values. You worship the gun and I care about the victims of mass shootings
     
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    The gun nuts!
     
  16. Renee

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    I love the uneducated when they make statements like you have to hate men in order to want regulations on guns that can kill dozens less than a minute...you only hate the people who care about the victims... obviously
     
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    We should let them die....preferably on a stage so we can enjoy watching them die
     
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    Keep thinking that cupcake. We’re all laughing at you.
     
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    Has anyone on the left figured out yet that Trump did not end a rule blocking mentally ill from getting guns which is already law but that he overturned Obama's overreach to include people not mentally unfit to own a gun?
     
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    Have you ever actually seen anybody do the rubber band or belt loop trick? It's impractical as hell. You're basically hip firing in a specific direction with zero accuracy. It serves no practical purpose besides wasting ammo and money because you think its fun or something. Put it this way, if you ever find yourself in a mass shooting then you'd much rather have the idiot sitting there belt looping his rifle than standing there aiming at people.

    Plus no, putting rubber bands around the trigger weld does not turn your semi-auto rifle into a machine gun. If 1 trigger pull = 1 round fired then it is a semi-automatic firearm. Go Youtube people rapid firing AR-15s without modification. Just because folks can pull the trigger really really fast doesn't make their AR-15 a full auto M16.

    Plus a whole lot of folks run around training in guerrilla tactics. Standing behind a tree and shooting at things is guerrilla tactics....I don't see the point here.
     
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    Oh I love it. Trump all the way. Calling someone a stupid childish term and then including “we” because they need to feel they have back up. That’s the definition of a bully. Are you a bleached blonde also?
     
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    Except you are demonstrably incorrect. You’ve been shown over and over and over again that none of those rifles were designed for, nor are they used by a single military unit on the face of the planet.
     
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    They were NEVER used by military's. Repeating the same factually incorrect statement over and over again will not magically make it factual if you say it enough times.

    Let's make a deal, I will give you a list of the most common AK-47 platform rifles in civilian use. If you can provide me with a source that states any of these firearms are used by any military on Earth then your statement will become factually correct.

    WASR-10 (Romanian)
    SAM7 (Bulgarian)
    VEPR (Russian)
    Polytech Legend (Chinese)

    I know that you are likely unfamiliar with those brands, but a quick Google search will assist you. Find one Army from any nation on Earth that issues any of those 4 weapons to their Soldiers currently, or has ever issued any of those 4 weapons at any point in history.
     
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    No, you don’t care about them at all. Your only interest in this forum, as evidence by your posts, is ranting incessantly about bullshit feminist nonsense.
     
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    But that had been thoroughly proven false, as you are fully aware. None of the firearms we are discussing were designed for, or used by any military on earth.
     
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