Democratic field boils down to four-jackasses race

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  1. bradt93

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    Democrats want this country like Mexico for some reason. I mean they don't have a good standard of living and their crime rate is off the charts. I don't get it.
     
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    Trump will kick Bidens ass in a debate, Biden is making so many gaffes lately, I'm surprised he's still allowed to be in the primary.
     
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    I'll bet my car that Trump will never debate any democrat, no matter who wins the nomination. He knows that he'd be humiliated beyond belief.
     
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    That is a really interesting point (and prediction).

    You are (most likely) correct.

    Trump would be a fool to debate ANY Democrat (he would get eviscerated).

    It would be too much of a chance to take. He would be excoriated.
     
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    As long as people are voting democrat-they have no problem with 3rd world conditions.

    Its about political power for dems-not solving issues.
     
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    Well same sex marriage is nowhere in the constitution. Nor is abortion. Thoes were items that have been improperly made into constitutional issues.

    All the democratic candidates are talking about seriously curtailing the 2nd ammendment. And some are talking about getting rid of it altogether.

    So from the view of lawmakers the ammendments we have need to be viewed as unchangeable so that these bad people cannot take away our foundational rights.

    Anyone who is not a constitutional originalist is an enemy of the constitution.
     
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    Trump debates Democrats everyday when he engages the MSM in extensive exchanges whenever he leaves the WH, and they are far better informed than any DP pol in the race now, with the possible exception of Tulsi Gabbard.
     
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    Now you believe that Trump's tweets are honest debate? Shows you what this country has come to when people believe a tweet is a debate. So sad.
     
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    you think there is any honest debate about politics going on in any venue?
     
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    Yes there is. Nearly all networks, starting with CNN and MSNBC invite opposing views. Then there's the ongoing democratic debates, they're all out there for anyone to watch. A tweet war is not a debate.
     
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    When was the last time Trey Gowdy on CNN or MSNBC?
    He is probably the most respected conservative around.

    CNN and MSNBC get crap Republicans as their counterpoints.

    I don't agree with him a lot and think he's a bit of a sensationalist but Tucker Carlson i think is the most honest in regards to bringing on a wide variety of viewpoints and allowing them the time to say their piece.

    I wouldn't call that debate either though because all it really is is him giving a rebuttal of their points.

    We will see what happens when we get presidential debates
     
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    Ask someone like Chris Cuomo who always has an open door policy for anyone wishing to espouse their viewpoints. If Trey Gowdy hasn't been seen on CNN it's a pretty good bet it was his choice, not the networks.

    Tucker Carlson is nothing short of a clown show. He disrespects and puts down any opposing opinion. Chris Cuomo would never do that. He will agree with them when it's appropriate and will never - ever shame or belittle them, no matter who it is. Tucker Carlson is a non-stop snippy, snide, disrespectful host for anyone that's not in Trump's ass.
     
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    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...​

    The process of forming a more perfect union, establishing justice and more perfectly securing the blessings of Liberty are an ongoing task that we inherent from our parents and pass to our children. The Post Civil War Republican Amendments forever ending slavery and enabling the Federal Government to secure individual rights against encroachment by the majorities in any of Democrat States, and women's sufferage should have been part of the original constitution, but they did the best they could and then passed the torch to those that came after them, and time and again, a more perfect union has been formed. Today we hold the torch and look for ways we too can use Article V to continue the ongoing task of more perfectly securing the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our prosperity.
    Except for the 27 amendments, of course.
    The flaw that was addressed by the post civil war Republican amendments was that while the Constitution recognizes our natural inherent rights (Privileges and Immunities) in Article IV it does not clarify who would secure these rights, and of course majorities of the Democrat States enslaved minorities. The post civil war Republican Amendments clarifies the Federal Governments power to secure the individuals rights against encroachment even by the Democratic majority in a State.
    Of course, that is why we have the powers in Article V to continue perfecting our government's ability to more completely secure our individual rights, freedom and liberties.
     
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    Trump confronts the MSM directly for hours every week. No other president has ever allowed the press as much access as trump. Surely you have noticed.
     
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    So black Americans are only worth 3/5th's of a white American according to your THEIST misunderstanding of the Constitution?

    Did you know that the Constitution INCLUDES a clause on how to CHANGE the Constitution?

    Does that mean that the Founding Fathers understood that the "truth" can CHANGE and WILL change in the future?

    Or were the Founding Fathers LYING when they included the clauses about changing and blacks?
     
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    In spite of your Olympic effort to convolute logic, you will never change the fact, that if you believe the US Constitution is a static document, then you are just plain wrong. Same sex marriages, abortion rights, due process, self-incrimination, a speedy trial, and other modern-day issues, were not mentioned in the Constitution. But these issues were interpreted by 9 Justices as being implicit in the founders language and intent, not in the letter. Also, the separation between church and state is not written in the letter of the Constitution either. But it is implicitly stated in the language and the rulings by the Supreme Court. I'll ask again, which amendments do you feel were improperly made into a constitutional issue? Which Amendments do you object to? What foundational rights are these "bad people", trying to take away from you(alarmist)? Are the dissenting Justices also enemies of the Constitution? Calling a non-Constitutional Originalists an enemy of the Constitution, is no different than calling an Atheists a sinner, or those that mock the Quran, a " disease from Jaahiliyyah". Your political ideology might be ethical and moral to you, but they might be different for me. This doesn't mean that I am an enemy to the ideology. That would just be an argument from Pathos.

    The original meaning of the 2nd Amendment, does not unequivocally identify the right of individuals to have and use weapons for private purposes, such as self defense. The Amendment was meant to protect only, “the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia.”. The operative clause clearly indicates a well regulated militia. That is, a militia that can be called on when needed. Obviously, this right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited. If you are not part of the National Guard(organized regulated militia), or the State Defence Force(unorganized and unregulated), then you have no need to keep and bear arms. In 1987, the governor of Utah removed all but thirty-one officers from the Utah State Guard, after it was revealed that its ranks were "peppered with neo-Nazis, felons, and mental patients. In 1990, the Virginia General Assembly launched an investigation into its State's defence force after receiving tips that the volunteers were "saving money to buy a tank. There are many other examples of an unregulated State militia.


    Democrats, or any rational thinking human with compassion and empathy, should be concerned with the thousands killed, or have committed suicide each year, using a handgun https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 . Instead of just being part of the problem, what suggestions can you posit as part of the solution? I also agree with you, that Republicans couldn't care less, if hundreds of thousands die from handgun violence per year. Just as long as Big Governments stays out of it, and not infringe upon their rights to bear arms. In other words they don't care,




     
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    Did you conveniently ignore these other human qualities that seem to give you goose bumps? It is only people that share these isolationists, selfish, America only wins when others lose, that champion these ignoble and pathological character traits. The more Trump embarrasses the US, or is disrespected by all other nations as a joke, the more his base loves him. Hitler had the same level of blind loyalty. I stopped believing all the Government's BS, since the lies that led us into the Viet Nam war. The lies have not stopped inciting the gullible and ignorant.

    You do realize that the US suit against Huawei over fears of China having access to the US's critical and national security information, was settled back in January. The problem was Huawei wanted to use its own chip, and not the US's. Not like all the other countries. I guess it is alright for the US to actively use its chips to spy on other countries, but the threat of another country spying on them, is unthinkable and hypocritical. But to the "Trumpanzees", just tell them that the country that is the most indebted to us, is also trying to rip us off. Why not ? They will not only believe it, but will even defend it. Just give them a few graphs and figures, appeal to their hatred, xenophobia and ignorance, and they will lap up whatever nonsense they are fed. What do you think would happen if countries decided to nationalize their natural resources, kick out American businesses and corporations, or to not trade oil in American dollars? We would be screwed. The American dollar currency would be worth less than the Iranian Rial. I guess we should just feel happy knowing, that no one can bluff an idiot.

    The US is only one country in the world. All countries are trying to feed, protect, and look after the needs of their own population. It is not simply we give more than we receive. It is about our role and leadership, in the balance of trade, and global harmony. I do not belong to the "we, we, me, me only" mindset. Trumps leadership is isolating us from the rest of the world. He is the most disrespected person on the planet. So, yes it indeed says more about the people that voted him in, than it does about him. His base knows as little as he does about our global trade balance. Especially, if they think that using sanctions and tariffs is the answer.

    These are the same people that applauded trump, when he physically push world leaders out of his way.
    These are the people that enjoy Trump telling other sovereign countries to pull their weight, or else.
    These are the people that applaud him for abandoning two nuclear treaties, without having a clue why.
    These are the people that want more body bags and heartbreaks, to satisfy their lust to prove that they are No.1. As long as it is not them who is risking their lives.
    These are the people that worship Trump's belligerent, boring, pedestrian, and illiterate persona, because he legitimizes what were once character flaws.
    There are people that grovel over his one-dimensional, and naïve world view of political reality.

    Are you saying that Trump did not shut down the Federal Government, and not pay government workers for over 4 weeks? Are you saying that Trump did not promise that the border walls would be built, and Mexico would pay for it? Are you saying that Trump did not say he would take responsibility for the shut down, and then blame the shut down on the Democrats? Was it Trump's voice on the "Hollywood tapes", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcZcTnykYbw that define his misogynistic values? I could go on and on with the over 12,000 other pathological lies he has told during his administration, but to a "Trumpanzee", what would be the point? His base doesn't care about things like truth, integrity, leadership, honesty, and dignity of the Office. He is simply their role model. Like I said, no matter what he does or says, his base will support him.


    This is exactly how I feel about Tulsi Gabbard, except for all the right reasons.


     
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    If Democrats were rational thinking caring people they would not undermine the constitution by promising to take away essential rights.
    If Democrats cared about America they wouldn't threaten the supreme court.
    Alarmist? No not at all. America is under a severe threat posed by the democratic party.

    If there is a ban on semi automatic sporting rifles it is the right and duty of Americans to resist that ban, ut is the right and duty of every law enforcement officer to refuse to enforce it. And it is the right and duty of the US armed forces to arrest the congress that passes such law and forcibly remove them from office.

    That is what the Democrats are pushing us into by desiring unconstitutional laws. All they care about is power. Yes that makes them bad people.
     
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    Because Trump's a warmonger, right?

    What's the body bag count in Trump's wars so far? Gotta be up to like a gorillion, right?
     
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    Complete and utter load of bovine excrement!

    If Congress passes any laws that are unconstitutional it is the duty of the COURTS to make that ruling.

    What you are advocating is a MILITARY DICTATORSHIP where civilians are second class citizens and the military has absolute power.

    That is NOT how America works because the power is in hands of We the People, NOT the military.
     
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    The right to one's own body is an essential right and it sure isn't Democrats who are trying to take that away, it is REPUBLICANS who do NOT think women have a right to their own bodies..
     
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    Trump has been known for making just as many gaffes.
     
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    Yes but when he says them the left calls them racist lies.
     
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    Only when they're racist lies....:)
     
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    393,000,000 civilian-owned firearms in the US
    40,000 man woman and child, killed in gun violence per year in the US
    87,000 man woman and child, injured in gun violence per year, in the US
    27,000 of 47,000 suicides by guns, per year in the US
    129 suicides each day in the US.
    82% of all gun deaths in the world, happen in the US.
    11 Murder/suicides occur each week in the US.
    729 man woman and child killed in over 350 mass shootings, since 1982, in the US
    >1500 man woman and child injured in mass shootings
    Zero gun control laws(stricter background checks, and "red flag" laws) have been passed by the Congress in the last 3 years. Thanks to Mitch McConnell, in spite of the overwhelming public support.

    These are the figures that I look at. If these figures do not draw pause, then you shouldn't be even near a gun. What essential rights, protected by Constitutional Law, do you think these bad Democrats are going to take away from you, and why? How are Democrats threatening the Supreme Court(Judicial Branch)? They have no oversight power over the courts. What severe threat is posed by the Democratic Party? What semi automatic sporting rifles have been banned? We haven't even banned assault rifles. What are these unconstitutional laws that these bad Democrats desire? Since the Democrats are doing none of these things, they are not the bad people.

    Are you trying to incite the military to remove elected officials from office by force, and tell the police to refuse to enforce the law? Just because you only think of yourself. You are truly the poster child of the Trump campaign, like "Joe the plumber". Both of you should not give up your day job.
     
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