Democratic field boils down to four-jackasses race

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    Every Democrat running for president has proposed bans and mandatory buy backs for semi automatic sporting rifles. Which by the way iscthe correct terminology for an Ar-15. The fake term assault rifles was made by anto gunners who are ignorant about guns.

    More people are murdered by hands and feet than by all types of rifles.


    Your statistics are also wrong..
    According to the CDC
    There are less than 20000 homicides in America every year.
    14000 of thoes involve firearms.

    Suicide is NOT gun violence!!!!
    There are 47,000 suicides every year
    23,000 or about half use firearms.

    The FBI states that 80% of gun violence is gang related.


    If you think statistics give you the right to take peoples property without due process of law, yes you are a bad person and an enemy of constitutional which is why we have a 2nd ammendment. To protect good people from gun grabbers.

    Your damn right gun grabbing constitution hating politicians should be removed from office by force. They are the enemy of the American people.
     
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    The 3/5th clause was anti-slavery.
     
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    Nonsense!
     
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    https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/ , https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...8-and-here-they-all-are-on-one-map-2018-10-27 , https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/13/health/gun-deaths-highest-40-years-cdc/index.html , https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/29/worldwide-gun-deaths-reach-250000-yearly-us-ranks-high.html

    I really don't care how you want to play with the statistics or the semantics. I never mentioned murder or killing by body parts. And, if you think blowing your brain out the back of your head, is not committing violence by a gun, then this discourse is a total waste of time. If tens of thousands of men, women, and children, are being killed by any type of firearm, then it is a cause for concern. Our government's job is to protect its citizens' right to LIFE, in spite of their own ignorance. Do you think that it is good people, or bad people that are committing gun violence? Or, do you think it is just people?

    I seriously doubt that 75% of all State Legislatures(38 States) would vote to ratify any amendment to repeal the 2nd Amendment, no matter how many people are killed by guns, or kill themselves by guns. So, don't worry your security blanket is safe. All those cowboy, war, and cop movies, have created a chronic social mindset, that do limit rational thinking. So, thank God we originalists are happy that the military can't turn on its own people. Thank God, our police can't pick and choose which laws they will enforce. It is just arrogance to think that your views are 100% right, and everybody should be forced to jump on your bandwagon.

    Statistics are a very good indicator that a problem may need to be addressed. For example, if 45 people are killed at a certain intersection, putting lights up at that intersection would be a justifiable solution. In the democracy that I live under, we don't remove our elected representatives by force, we use our votes. Only a true enemy of our Constitution would want to usurp its power, and threaten our representative with civil disobedience and physical force. Are you an Anarchist that believe in a "Stateless Society"? Or, are you just a "right wing nationalist fascist", who at best, only defiles the true meaning of the Constitution I love? It is this xenophobic, selfish, and juvenile mentality, that is represented by "my country is the best, and all other countries must do whatever we tell them". We have abandoned diplomacy and good faith, and now use sanctions, tariffs, and bombing countries, until they obey out of fear. Do you want examples? This makes me ashamed to be an American. No rational person can lack this level of social empathy, and be proud of it, unless they are a "trumpanzee". No rational person would suggest that our military remove any politician that disagrees with them, unless they are a "trumpanzee".

    Fortunately, we can vote crooks and pathological liars out of office. Unfortunately the DNC is also owned by its corporate donors. We need someone who is above partisanship, and can attract different ideologies. Tulsi Gabbard is the only real threat to the status quo, and corporate America. This is why she is smeared, discredited, and attacked by corporate America and mainstream media. This is what a real leader looks like, and sounds like.
    and,

    This is what a bad leader looks and sounds like https://www.forbes.com/sites/france...-the-definition-of-a-bad-leader/#75378b4f5c0c
    And, this is what a pathological liar looks and sounds like. https://www.nrdc.org/trump-lies
     
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    What a bunch of crap..

    1. Gun violence is caused by people not guns

    2. 80% of gun violence is gang related and they use illegally purchased guns.

    3. The constitution guarantees the individual right to keep and bear arms on their home and on their person. That IS the originalist view! Thinking it's ok to modify that right is not the originalist view.

    4. You are adding suicide into this issue so that you can sensationalize it.
    Do you spend your time and resources volunteering at a suicide prevention organization? Yeah. Thought not. You know what that means? It means you don't really care about that issue you just like using it as a club to beat those you hate.

    5. Suicide should be legal

    6. The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right. If certain politicians pass illegal laws concerning guns they are violating the constitution they swore to protect. They are breaking their oath of office, they are breaking the conditions by which they posess the office they hold. They then hold that office illegitimacy.
    Because any such law would be illegal law enforcement officers have the OBLIGATION to not enforce such laws.

    Lastly. The Democrats want to violate the 2nd ammendment, they want to eliminate the electoral college, and they want to stack the supreme court all in am effort to consolidate power in their own hands. These actions are evil! Literally evil.
    Why do you want to **** on the constitution?
     
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    It is a fact. The 3/5th clause would have been even more anti-slavery if it had been a '0/5ths'. Think.
     
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    Too bad you have failed to provide any credible substantiation for your factoid!
     
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    You mean issues like, who drew the extra length on a weather map with a sharpie? LOL.
     
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    No issues like the Democrat party being communists.
     
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    Oh, intentional untruths. Got it.
     
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    Its true.
     
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    It's self evident.
     
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    No, it is NOT!

    That you cannot substantiate your utterly bogus allegation says VOLUMES!
     
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    I suppose if you don't understand what I write, then it all must seem like crap to you. It must be hard to only understand individual words, and not the context, or central meaning of the collection of words. I agree that guns don't form their own gangs, and go around shooting at people. I also believe that we should do anything to discourage anyone from committing suicide, including making it illegal. I have help many of my veteran brothers and sisters, who actually gave a physical part of their lives to protect the same Constitution you act like you care about, from becoming one of the 20 per day who are committing suicide. I have also provided strategies for their families to help cope with their aberrant behavior. What efforts have you made towards curbing the suicide rates? Suicide is a repugnant selfish act, that effects those other than the victim. If we legalize suicide, then Euthanasia will be next. Then eventually we will start euthanizing the aged, the sick, the mentally disabled, and those that are just different from the rest of us. This is called a "slippery slope".

    Gun violence is the violence caused by using gun, Period. Using guns are not only violent, but also lethal. It doesn't matter if it you are using a gun to blow your own brains out. It doesn't matter if you are using a gun, during war, or as a member of a gang, to commit murder, homicide(justifiable or negligent), manslaughter, or in self-defence. It doesn't matter if you use a gun to kill defenceless animals for sport, or even under duress. It is all just violence when you use a gun on any living member of the animal kingdom. There is one exception that I have heard of. A patient dying of an inoperable brain tumour, decided to end his life. He when home, took out his '357, and blew his brains out. Fortunately, he only blew out all of the tumor, and survived. However, I wouldn't recommend this as a reliable surgical procedure. My point is, any use of guns on another living thing, will always be violent.

    I will ask again. How are democrats trying to take away your 2nd amendment rights? No one is threatening your rights to keep and bear arms to kill other human beings and animals. Accept in your head. Since you can't demonstrate this as a fact, you are just making it up. There have been no gun control laws passed in the last three years. Do you think that everyone should have the right to bear and keep arms? Do you think convicted felons, murderers, mentally ill homicidal psychopaths and sociopaths, children, or members of terrorist groups, should be allowed to own and bear firearms? Congress, has a bill to include those convicted of violent domestic crimes, to be prohibited from owning firearms. It is only the proposal to improved universal background checks, that are being recommended in Congress. You do understand that Congress is not all Democrats, right? That there are two houses of Congress, right? I seriously think that your unjustified distain for an entire party, your ignorant interpretation of our Constitution, and your self-created paranoia is the only thing that is evil. The most dangerous people on the planet are those that are big, dumb, and ugly. And, we gave that person the power to destroy the planet.

    "Why do you want to **** on the constitution?". "When did you stop beating your wife?". Can you see why both questions are silly and illogical? Maybe you can also explain what is "literally evil"? I certainly can't.
     
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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ram_making_assault_weapons_illegal_period.htm

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...warm-to-mandatory-buybacks-of-assault-weapons

    This is ******** on the constitution.

    Ohh and now hunting is on the chopping block???

    Im glad you arecworking with vets.

    I'm not doing anything to curb suicide that's not an issue i am passionate about.

    I spend my time advocating for native fish species public lands an hinting and fishing privileges.

    Funny Elizabeth Warren wants to triple the excise tax on guns. Does she even know that the act that created the tax was brought about by gun owners and is used for fish and wildlife conservation.

    Good people don't take the property of other good people based on what a very few bad people do.
     
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    That one in particular smells like bullcrap.

    Yup, it's bullcrap.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
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    82% of all gun deaths in top 23 High-Income Countries, not the world.

    The constant bullcrap is so tiresome.

    It's weird how I immediately realized, based upon my knowledge of the world, that that stat was bullcrap, and yet "Truly Enlightened" didn't spot the bullcrap.

    Ironical.
     
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    Your interpretation of the 3/5th clause was clearly wrong, but it is a common error.
    That is why I urged you to research the issue yourself.

    “Here then, are those provisions of the Constitution, which the most extravagant defenders of slavery can claim to guarantee a right of property in man. These are the provisions which have been pressed into the service of the human fleshmongers of America. Let us look at them just as they stand, one by one. Let us grant, for the sake of the argument, that the first of these provisions, referring to the basis of representation and taxation, does refer to slaves. We are not compelled to make that admission, for it might fairly apply to aliens — persons living in the country, but not naturalized.

    But giving the provisions the very worse construction, what does it amount to? I answer — It is a downright disability laid upon the slaveholding States; one which deprives those States of two-fifths of their natural basis of representation. A black man in a free State is worth just two-fifths more than a black man in a slave State, as a basis of political power under the Constitution. Therefore, instead of encouraging slavery, the Constitution encourages freedom by giving an increase of “two-fifths” of political power to free over slave States.”
    BLACKPAST.ORG, (1860) FREDERICK DOUGLASS, “THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES: IS IT PRO-SLAVERY OR ANTI-SLAVERY?” In a speech before the Scottish Anti-Slavery Society in Glasgow, Scotland on March 26, 1860, Frederick Douglass outlines his views on the American Constitution., MARCH 15, 2012
    https://www.blackpast.org/african-a...united-states-it-pro-slavery-or-anti-slavery/
     
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    Communists, make changes using sharpies. LOL. You support the shapie in chief.
     
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    Beats supporting a commie.
     
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    Even assbackwards that STILL does NOT support your bogus allegation.

    What Douglass disingenuously OMITTED was that the only REASON why slaves were NOT counted as full persons is BECAUSE they were PROPERTY.

    Slave owners were getting to both have their cake and eat it with the 3/5ths clause. They could buy and sell and even work slaves to death in order to enrich themselves AND count them as a means to have greater influence in the EC.

    The Constitution PROTECTED slavery for two entire DECADES after it was enacted and the 3/5ths clause EMPOWERED the slave owners to have GREATER REPRESENTATION in Congress than they deserved given that they were the ONLY states that were allowed to REPRESENT their PROPERTY as if they were persons.
     
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    Thank you, and I will continue this work, for as long as my health holds out. This is an issue that I am passionate about, because every life to me is precious and worth saving. I am also passionate that killing defenseless unarmed animals, is not sport. How many hunters would be hunting animals for sport, if animals were also armed with firearms, as well as their instincts? Not many I would guess. But this is just my own personal opinion. So your 2nd Amendment right to kill defenseless animals for personal ego, is safe. Now to the issues.

    Do you think that every citizen should be allowed to own and bear firearms? Do you think that, clinically diagnosed psychopaths, bipolar depressants, manic-depressants, schizophrenics, homicidal maniacs, sociopaths, convicted murderers, rapists, children, paedophiles, terrorists, felons, or those that are a threat to themselves and others, should all be allowed to bear and keep firearms? Or, do you think that the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct, and should not be regulated or in any way interfered with? Every citizen has their 2nd Amendment right, and that's it. If you believe that the 2nd Amendment should not be regulated, or interfered with, then we will have to agree to disagree.

    Secondly, do you think that every American citizen should be able to own, any type or kind of firearm they want? Should our citizens be able to purchase, bear, and keep, an M1 Abrams tank, a Stinger missile-to-air rocket launcher, an M134D Gatling gun, an M1 pack howitzer, any fully automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, or any firearms that use high capacity clips and magazines? Should any private citizen be able to import guns from anywhere in the world? If you feel that anyone who wants to regulate and limit what type of firearms our citizens can have(for the safety of society), is just s******g on the Constitution, then again we will have to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, the second amendment has nothing to do with the right of the individual to bear and keep arms. "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". Unless you belong to a "well regulated militia" of the State, you have no right to bear and keep firearms. But the Supreme Court has interpreted this differently. Now we start complaining when the government tries to address gun violence, with background checks, and limiting ownership to weapons that would cause less mass destruction? Go figure. If you believe that the government should not interfere in you owning and bearing any guns you want, in anyway, then lets just agree to disagree.

    Finally, no matter what you have been told, your 2nd Amendments rights have not been violated, or will be violated. This would be violating your Constitutional rights, and would be overturned by the Supreme Court. I think that getting fully automatic military assault rifles off the streets, and increasing the criteria for background checks for purchasing guns, seems only rational and responsible to me. I don't see any of these responsible measures, as a threat to your 2nd Amendment rights.
     
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    As Frederick Douglass explained you were wrong about the 3/5th clause. It was obviously an anti-slavery clause designed to limit the power of the slave states.

    A 0/5ths clause would have been far better.
     
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    Gun control laws are inherently irrational. Gun control kills. Think it through.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard has been shunned by the DP. Alas.
     
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    1. The second ammendment doesn't protect my hunting privileges.

    2. Felons and everyone identified with the conditions you mentioned are already prevented from from legally purchasing firearms.

    3. Yes i believe people should be able to purchase any firearm.

    4. I have no problem with people buying used military vehicles. I'd love to see our boneyards in Arizona go into the hands of collectors. At least thoes things that have been retired.

    Back to hunting... there are harmless unarmed animals out there for everyone to enjoy BECAUSE OF HUNTERS.

    Hunters who put their time and money where their mouth is just like you do with suicide prevention.
    Ducks unlimited
    Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
    Mule Deer Foundation
    Wild Sheep Foundation

    A note about the wild sheep Foundation.
    Big Horn sheep hunting is extremely heavily regulated. People give thousands of dollars to various state agencies to get into lottery systems for big horn sheep tags that are typically once in a life time tags that they have next to no chance of getting. And they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars and tens of thousands of hours are donated by hunters to restore and preserve animals that they will never be likely to hunt.
    Why? Because they live the animals.

    The difference between conservationists and animals rights activists?

    Conservationists love the animals and want to preserve the species.

    Animal rights activists? They have irrational affection for individual animals.

    Hunting is conservation!
     
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