A "proportionate" response to Iran

By 1985-86 George Bush begged the Saudis to raise the ppb because domestic producers in Texas and Oklahoma were going bust. Unemployment, a severe crash in the housing market and failure of numerous Federal Savings and Loans ensued. Unemployed oil workers were drifting all over Texas, Oklahoma and the Florida panhandle.

 

Which ME countries?

Meanwhile, Trump has decided the response will be to increase sanctions on Iran.

 

That's BS...

 

Iraq wasn't threatening Saudi Arabia.. just Kuwait. Kuwait wouldn't forgive Iraq's OPEC debt and was still stealing Iraqi oil. Iraq was deeply in debt from the war with Iran and our Dual Containment Policy.

If I can remember the name of the debt, I'll post a link for you.. I think it was "Paris" something or other.

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1. Paris club cancel 7.8 billion in Iraqi Debt - Iraq & Dinar ...
   dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48459...
   BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: The Paris Club of creditor nations said Monday it has canceled a final $7.8 billion of Iraqi debt dating from the Saddam Hussein era. Iraq's public debt was estimated to be US$120.2 billion in nominal value as of The debt owed to Paris Club creditors as of December 31, 2004, was
   
   
2. Paris Club lenders complete Iraq debt forgiveness - Iraqi News
   www.iraqinews.com/business-iraqi-dinar/paris...
   The group agreed in 2004 to write off some $32 billion of Iraq’s Saddam Hussein-era debt, which once totaled $125 billion including debt owed to non-Paris Club members.
   

 

You know how many members of the House of Saud there are? IIRC there are something like 5,000 "Saudi princes".

Mere support by random people in the government or royal family in no way indicates the Saudi government in any way approved of the 9/11 attacks.

 

Bassaan had a sick wife and five kids.. His wife was being treated for breast cancer in CA.. They had a rental house and rental furniture.. The princess who gave him money for expenses was absolutely cleared of any wrongdoing. (the accusation is stupid and absurd) ... and MOST Saudi students in the US were under some financial patronage.. Always have been since the 1950s. The accusation is just based on ignorance and assumptions.

 

Osama Bin Laden wanted Americans to blame the Saudis.. He hated the Saudis with a passion.

 

There are lots of reasons to hate the Saudis. 9/11 isn't one of them.

 

Nope. We're not committed to going to war to defend Saudi Arabia if they are attacked.

 

Trump's probably enriching himself with the Saudi's

Trump first trip abroad was to Saudi

set up by Jared............. they Love those petrol dollars !!!

 

Saudi Arabia isn't our problem,

 

True, Bush's idea of imaginary WMD and impending attack were not only idiotic but downright stupid and treasonous. Still the war and its consequences should serve as a warning to people to stop believing such treasonous garbage as American lives and resources are at risk.

 

read the Downing Street Memo

 

Hold on there - Israel is not going to attack Iran .. Israel is a very small country and Iran has a large number of ballistic and cruise missiles

 

True - which is why they did not go after the Saudi's for its role in 911.

 

While his SecState is being combative, Trump is reluctant to use military force.

"It's very easy to start," Trump said. "If we have to do something, we'll do it," adding that "we'll be adding some very significant sanctions against Iran."

Asked if he's looking at a military strike, the President said, "We'll see what happens." He noted that "there's the ultimate option and there are options less powerful than that ... the ultimate option meaning go in, war."

The non-military President knows that if a shooting war starts, it is because of his decision back in May 2018.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...n-cause-the-saudi-oil-refinery-attack.561607/

 

But Neto would like to goad us into attacking Iran.

 

100% .. having us to his dirty work would be a big feather in his cap. Even then however, you can't be sure that Iran will not attack Israel if the US were to do a full on attack. Not for a few strikes .. but something major and Israel would be a target for sure.

 

There is little evidence the American public favors a military engagement with Iran. There is a growing suspicion that, based on Trump's comments about real estate deals, Saudi Arabia is pulling covert strings on the White House. After MBS (Mohammad Bone Saw) murder of a Washington Post writer there is little sympathy for that country's plight. Then there is that trillion dollar weapons stream that has been flowing from U.S. Mil/Aero sector to the Saudi military for decades. Don't they know how to secure the main source of income with all that hardware?

I see little impetus or obligation for the United States to jump into another Middle East war. So, how did we get to this state of affairs? The answer is quite simple. When Trump decided to jump out of a seven nation nuclear deal (negotiated by that gd Obama) then add a few additional sanctions to the deal, Iran walked away and started building bombs in their basement. It's those unintended consequences that Trump never, ever considers.

So, not only is America supposed to come to the aid of a dubious alley that got itself bombed by a known threat, we're supposed to clean up another Trump FUBAR -- Again. I have a better idea. We'll hold the coats of Iran and Saudi Arabia, pop some popcorn, open a can of American beer and watch the show on our 60 inch TV's.

 

If you are in government, writing the regulations and tax laws, your actions will depend on what it is that you are trying to accomplish.

Are you trying to grow the economy so that more revenue will come into the Treasury, or do you just bleed the taxpayers for every nickle you can get?

 

...and...? How does that make GW Bush a traitor?

It doesn't matter if Bush made up his mind that he wanted to take out Saddam, he'd still have to convince the people and Congress. Which he did, over the course of many long months. Convincing Congress was a slam dunk, since Clinton and all the Democrats in Washington had already spent the last eight years making the case for regime change in Iraq, and justifying military actions against Saddam's military.

Fast forward twenty years, and Obama, all on his own, made up his mind that he wanted to take out Qaddafi, and he did not consult Congress, or say a word to the American people, he just went to war and.... that was that.

 

If Clinton wanted to take out Saddam he would have done so.

Traitor Bush LIED to Congress and the USA by pretending there was an imminent attack. The result was thousands of dead Americans, over 100,000 dead Iraqis, instability in the Middle East, and a loss of $2 trillion dollars taken from taxpayers.

You righties were hell bent on impeaching Clinton for lying about a sex act but you applaud Bush for treasonous lying which resulted in needless American deaths.

Your comment on Qaddafi is a joke considering how forum right wingers have posted hundreds of attacks on Obama for not doing enough in regard to Benghazi while you claim he did too much. That is utterly laughable. And unlike Iraq, the intervention in Libya was led by the UN and followed by the USA under Obama. By contrast, the attack on Iraq was led by the USA and followed by the UN whose Kofi Annan who was so intimidated by Bush.

 

In this day and age of right wing political correctness I wouldn't be so sure. Righties want war as it increases the value of their military stock portfolios. And with all these false flags that have been planted by the far right, war hysteria can be sparked over night.

 

It has already been proven.