A "proportionate" response to Iran

LOLOL.. No it hasn't and it makes NO sense. You're a victim of idiots on the internet.

OBL wanted Americans to blame KSA. He succeeded with people like you.

 

Good post. These clowns don't know anything about Libya or Gaddafi. They will believe anything.

 

Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

Page 421: “a [deleted], dated July 2, 2002, [indicates] ‘incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists inside the Saudi Government.’”


Page 415: “While in the United States, some of the September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support and assistance from, individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government.… [A]t least two of those individuals were alleged by some to be Saudi intelligence officers.”



Pages 418 and 419: Detained al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaida had in his phone book the unlisted number for the security company that managed the Colorado residence of the then-Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

 

Clinton did not have anything like 9/11 to justify going to war with Saddam. Just read the text of his many speeches, or watch them on YouTube, where Clinton made his justifications for his many bombings of Iraq. his justifications were no different than the same speeches Bush made. In some speeches, Clinton even claimed Saddam was making nuclear bombs and WMDs, and warned he was making the weapons systems to deliver them. time and time again, Clinton said Saddam used WMDs on his enemies, and he'd use them again, which is why Clinton kept bombing Saddam.

Clinton said the exact same damn things.

Obama didn't even waste his breath to "lie" to the people, he just went to war in Libya without a freaking word to anyone. And yet it's Boooosh who you freak out over.

What the hell is a "rightie?" Let me guess, your definition is anyone who disagrees with you on anything.

Now you want to bring up Benghazi??? You can't even follow a simple train of thought.

No president has ever started a war with a sovereign nation, all on their own, like Obama did, when he attacked Libya. At least Bush spent months getting approval from the US Congress, the UN and NATO. Obama never said a word to anyone.

the only reason we had people die in Benghazi, was because Obama destroyed that country in the first place. Then when Libya fell into complete anarchy, because of what Obama did to it, he simply pulled out, and allowed it to fall into further chaos.

 

Again, do you have a reading comprehension problem? Do you really believe Saudi Inteligence is in charge of supporting students.... You know there is such a thing as credibillity...

Page 415: “While in the United States, some of the September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support and assistance from, individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government.… [A]t least two of those individuals were alleged by some to be Saudi intelligence officers.”

 

LOLOL.. No of course not. Saudi students in the US have always had benefactors in Arabia having NOTHING to do with Saudi Intelligence... and students have ALWAYS helped each other find housing, open bank accounts etc. You really have some very weird ideas. These accusations must be very important to you.

 

I have posted facts and proof. If you have no regard for the truth, and instead want to support the lies of the military industrial complex and wars for profit that is your choice, your credibility is due noted.
The fact is the Saudis sponsored 9/11 and have been protected by the US government from law suits for the same.
I suppose you also deny the Saudis murdered Jamal Khashoggi?

 

Obama and the US had NOTHING to do with the civil war in Libya.. You should probably take note of Libya's history and Gaddafi's ignorance and mental illness.

By the time NATO go involved all the embassies were closed, all 7 oil companies had pulled their people out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy.

Do you know anything about Libya or the tribes, or Idris or their Constitution? Do you know anything about Gaddafi or Tariki or Wheelus?

 

Is it profitable to be a troll for the Saudi's? How does it feel to a advocate for a country with one of the worst human rights records in the world. One who has been condemned for human rights violations by every human rights organization worldwide. How does it feel to know your support helps to continue the crimes against humanity? Are you proud of yourself?

 

I am sorry for your lack of education.

 

You should be sorry for your support of State Sponsored crimes against humanity. Karma is a b**ch.

 

Good god.. you are off the wall.

 

More like you are in denial.

 

Just well informed.. There are 40,000 Americans in Arabia.. but you seem to think you know more than all of them and all the Americans who have lived and worked in Saudi Arabia since WW2.

 

I know they are evil, and that you support them. I know when you support evil, you assume part of the blame for it by that support.

 

LOLOL.. How sick.

 

Better hope there is no such thing as atonement......

 

The "false flag" believers are actually conspiracy theorists.

Next, we should be hearing about the grassy knoll...

 

I quite agree with your characterization of Mohammed bin Salman, who is hardly a (small "D") democrat.

We really have two different kinds of allies in the Middle East: There are those who share our basic values (e.g. Israel); and there are those who are useful to us (e.g. Saudi Arabia, which acts as a counterweight to Iran).

Are you really oblivious to the fact that the US is energy independent--that we produce more fossil fuel every year than we actually use?

I simply find it difficult to believe that you did not know that...

 

Since Trump fired his NSA, John Bolton, SecState Mike Pompeo's influence in foreign policy has been growing by leaps and bounds. Trump's brand new NSA, Robert O'Brien, is just another yes-man, hired because he complimented Trump on several occasions.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday acknowledged that the current crisis with Iran was a "direct result" of actions taken by President Donald Trump.

Since Trump withdrew the US from the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, his administration has engaged in a "maximum-pressure" campaign against Tehran, Iran's capital, in an effort to cripple the Iranian economy with harsh sanctions.

But so far, Trump's hard-line strategy has not been successful, and there's little evidence this is changing.

Pompeo defended this approach to reporters traveling with him to Saudi Arabia, saying, "There is this theme that some suggest that the president's strategy that we allowed isn't working. I would argue just the converse of that. I would argue that what you are seeing here is a direct result of us reversing the enormous failure of the JCPOA."

https://www.businessinsider.com/pompeo-inadvertently-admits-iran-crisis-is-trump-fault-2019-9

No one has ever said that Pompeo was the brightest bulb in the room.

 

TRUMP on Iran: “We gave them $150 billion and $1.8 billion and we got nothing. ... Look at what they did to John Kerry and to President Obama. Look what happened, where they’re bringing planeloads of cash, planeloads, big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s coming in loaded up with cash. What kind of a deal is that?” — news conference with Macron, Aug. 26, 2019.

“Trump got rid of the Iran nuclear deal because it was Barack Obama’s agreement,” said Jarrett Blanc, a former State Department official who helped oversee the 2015 deal’s implementation. “If you were to present to Trump the same deal and call it Trump’s deal, he’d be thrilled.” https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/17/trump-iran-deal-obama-1417801

On the rare occasions when Trump supporters actually defend Trump's disastrous decision to withdraw the U.S. from the JCPOA, they basically ignore the provisions of the agreement, similar to Trump, and talk about state sponsorship of terrorism, missile development, Iran's alliances in the region, and Trump's attempts to curtail the Iranian economy. Other than the threat of sanctions, none of this has anything to do with the agreement.

They also talk about what a bad actor Iran is. Quite true, and this makes Obama's accomplishment of securing the agreement all the more remarkable. But, again, the fact that Iran is a bad actor has nothing to do with the agreement. It is a related factor, and nothing more.

Trump set out to destroy this remarkable achievement because it took place during the Obama administration. The fool virtually admits it. In addition, he could not say Iran was not in compliance with the agreement. His puny excuse was that Iran was breaking the spirit of the agreement, state sponsorship of terror, missile development, alliances, et.al.

That was written on May 20, 2018.

 

Last week, against the advice of his SecState, SecDef, the Pentagon, our intelligence agencies, diplomats with decades of experience, and our closest allies, Trump decided to remove the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, or JCPOA. Iran, our allies, Russia, and China are trying to salvage the deal, but the U.S. sanctions make that nearly impossible. Trump intends to punish American businesses and our allies if they do business with Iran.

Iran has threatened to kick out the IAEA inspectors and resume its nuclear program which includes uranium enrichment. The Saudis have threaten to acquire the nuclear bomb if Iran does so. Trump attempted to replace the agreement with harsh language. "I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program. I would advise them very strongly. If they do there will be very severe consequences."

P. M. Netanyahu of Israel was pleased with Trump's decision. It can be argued he was the cause of it.

I wrote that on May 14, 2018.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/trumps-foreign-policy-decisions.532700/

 

Yeah, Trump insn't Cheney, he's actually FOR the US.

What's your problem with that?

 

Merely the continual characterization of the US as "The Great Satan" would seem to fulfill the definition of taunting.

Iran's bold assertion that it will choke off the West's oil supply, by closing the Strait of Hormuz, is another example.

And, of course, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's refusal to meet with President Trump soon (which, frankly, President Trump does not appear to mind) is yet another example.

 

I do think that Saudi Arabia--since it was the country most affected--should take the lead here.

But other countries have also been affected--even if only tangentially. (Granted, the US is less affected than most European countries, since we are energy independent.)