Impeachment

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  1. LangleyMan

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    The quotes were instances of Trump pressing beyond a simple request.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't know about it then...had I known, yes, I would have criticized him as well. My values are consistent and not based on which Party is in power.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rudy has been running around ever since the Partisan Mueller Probe. He was looking to defend his client and part of that was uncovering the corruption in the OBAMA/BIDEN administration. You just don't like it.
     
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    Your disrespect for the Constitution is noted.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As is your rhetorical chum.
     
  6. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    This is your excuse for supporting Trump's defiance of Congressional oversight?
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    More evasion and disregard for Congressional oversight of the Executive.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This whole impeachment idiocy is just another distraction and obstruction by the Democrats and their bought medias to avoid going to jail. They have been trying to hook Trump and impeach him with their Russian collusion conspiracy, but they couldn't so they made up this one - even though there is nothing incriminating in the transcript.

    Here's some information that you're not going to find on the MSM:

    Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

    Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, “describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr.” at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine’s press center in Kyiv on Wednesday. –Interfax

    https://theduran.com/joe-biden-pers...rding-to-ukrainian-mp-in-bombshell-admission/


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    Burisma Holdings is the company Biden's son and Devon Archer works for. The actual ownership has been traced back to the mega criminal Ihor Kolomoisky. He is wanted in Russia for using white phosporous when bombing the people of Slaviansks and also suspected of the shooting down of the airliner as well as the burning and hacking of protesters in Odessa.

    Here is a Russian prankster interviewing a drunk Kolomoisky. Ihor mentions that they wanted to shoot down the No. 1 plane and made a mistake. The No. 1 would be a reference to Putin's plane since it was the same color and size as the airliner and in the vicinity at the time.



     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I agree with most of that in principle. Vested individual accounts created with revenue diverted from the government programs and structures would function very like vouchers, but with many advantages over vouchers.

    The education system has failed. Alternatives need to be created. IMO, the best way to do it fast is to transfer control of the entire education budget away from government to the parents and guardians of the children so they can choose teachers and schools.
     
  10. LangleyMan

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    You're excusing Trump defying Congressional oversight on what basis?
     
  11. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hong Kong. Kurdistan.
     
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    WASHINGTON—President Trump ordered the removal of the ambassador to Ukraine after months of complaints from allies outside the administration, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, that she was undermining him abroad and obstructing efforts to persuade Kyiv to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, according to people familiar with the matter.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...r-complaints-from-giuliani-others-11570137147

    But as The Intercept subsequently reported, Sondland appeared to have a change of heart after Trump won the election. The hotel magnate donated $1 million to the Trump inaugural committee using limited liability corporations that masked his name from the list of Trump contributors. The move prompted a Federal Election Commission complaint from a campaign finance watchdog, the Campaign Legal Center, but Sondland’s relationship with the Trump administration wasn’t harmed by his apparent discomfort—Trump nominated him to be U.S. ambassador to the European Union in May 2018.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/impea...oped-into-rudy-giulianis-quest-to-smear-biden

    But a whistleblower's complaint made public Thursday paints a different picture: one of Volker scrambling to "contain the damage" to national security inflicted by Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, and back-channeling with the Ukrainian leadership about how to navigate the conflicting messages that Giuliani and U.S. officials were sending.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...-part-time-ukraine-envoy-played-role-n1058871

    KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — As Rudy Giuliani was pushing Ukrainian officials last spring to investigate one of Donald Trump’s main political rivals, a group of individuals with ties to the president and his personal lawyer were also active in the former Soviet republic.

    Their aims were profit, not politics. This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company. Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies, according to two people with knowledge of their plans.

    https://www.apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2

    WASHINGTON — Two Soviet-born donors to a pro-Trump fundraising committee who helped Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to investigate Democrat Joe Biden were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges of violating campaign finance rules.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...finance-violations/ar-AAIA6MX?ocid=spartanntp

    To much popcorn.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Yes, if Trump had kept his requests for investigations all within the U.S., & never involved foreign leaders or countries, he would have been within his rights. The illegal part of all this controversy is involving foreign players & involving them in our domestic election system. The U.S. Constitution forbids that. Trump's lying about that & then working so hard at obstructing Congressional inquiries into it--which is their Constitutionally assigned responsibility--simply compounds the problem & makes it more serious. What Trump did with Ukraine & China is a crime. Based on his consistency of behavior, it seems to me his public request to Russia in 2016, was equally real & equally illegal.

    But these things aside, Trump's latest fiasco, abandoning our Kurdish allies after over a decade of shared deadly combat, & after they lost over 10,000 of their own fighting with us as allies against ISIS, Trump is dismantling everything America has worked for & accomplished in that region since 2003. Trump is making the friendship & word of America untrustworthy & meaningless. After this, America will have no friends anywhere willing to risk anything based on our word. If that's what a third of American voters think is "making America great again," I question every value those Americans hold dear, along with any sliver of integrity or humanity they might have. Trump's stupidity & lack of ability to foresee the ramifications of his decisions beforehand, is opening the floodgates for new disruptions & wars in the Middle East. Anyone who continues to support this inept & totally incompetent President, shares that responsibility for new wars, as well as the resurrection of ISIS in the region, right along with the President, because they are enabling him.

    Trump is a leadership disaster unparalleled in history, at least since Nero of Rome. We either find a way to discharge him from office, or he will destroy America by making it unrecognizable by any standards, values, or behaviors previously associated with it that were good.
     
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  14. LangleyMan

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    Voters are far less likely to hand over, no strings, $10,000+/year for each kid's education (the cost these days) than they are to provide a voucher.
    Damn few private schools are likely to turn over selection of their employees to their customers.

    BTW, one of the reasons for failing schools is underfunding.
     
  15. Ddyad

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    Parents, guardians and teachers are a huge voting block, and the worst school systems in America spend far more than $10K/year/student.

    We are already spending the money. I am not proposing cuts, just a transfer of control of the budget. Private schools would have to convince parents and guardians of children to cut them a check. They are used to that.
     
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    I haven't said anything about ending Social Security or Medicare for other people, please read what I actually post.

    Health insurance should not be mandatory, the EMTALA covers immediate situations, and since taxpayers are already paying for those who cannot or will not pay for their care, mandating health insurance is just an additional burden that actually provides nothing in the way of actual care.

    Tax free savings account? Have no idea where you are pulling that from. I don't believe we need to provide more and more assistance, more dependency on the government, which is just another way of saying do nothing for yourself, and let everyone else take care of you. Those who have worked, contributed to the societal pool, and need some help over a rough patch or assistance in their old age, is one thing. Generational welfare, continuing to pay more and more for those who choose not to work, while those of us who do work, support ourselves are taxed more and more, I cannot condone.

    We already do pay for primary education. Higher education is not for everyone, and even some who try to claim that additional education, provide nothing back to society. Meanwhile, you expect everyone else to pay for everyone else's kids to go to college? To what benefit? Then should we place minimum grades for the taxpayer to pay for it? What about subject matter, would the taxpayer have a say in that too? Those that wish to go, can go at their cost - it's what voluntary participation is. Those that need assistance, there are grants and scholarships, and various programs based on merit. In the past, those that truly wanted the additional education, found a way to make it happen. Considering how far we've come we've done pretty good.
     
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    Don't be stuck in the past.
    Blue collar jobs are shrinking. If we don't train for the jobs requiring higher education bad things are going to happen. They are already happening.
    I guess if we followed your ideas back a bit we could eliminate high school and just stop funding at Jr. high.
    How about just associate degrees?
     
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    When you can do your own plumbing, auto mechanic work, electrical, and a bunch of other jobs, then a highly educated, non-physical, non-tradesman society would be just dandy for those who have no comprehension of society.

    When you can actually discuss the subject, without snark, you might understand that not everyone is cut out for higher degrees, not everyone wants to be an elitist, and demanding other people pay for something that is for an individual's personal gain, does not necessarily benefit society as a whole.

    Along those lines, who do you think will be sweeping up the grand halls of the academic chambers? Just something to keep in mind.
     
  19. Fred C Dobbs

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    Rudy Giuliani is a 'hack'? Apparently you know nothing of the man or his history. You should read his biography, from non-Australian sources, before commenting.
     
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    You're stating your goofy opinion, not facts. You should learn to distinguish between the two, if you can.
     
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    Hell, I'm not one calling myself Fred C Dobbs.
     
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    No. He's not a hack. He's worse: He's a backstabbing, double-crossing, pull-peddling, sycophant hack. And that's based on his history, starting with the hatchet job he did on Michael Milken, contiuning with the smear job he did on Leona Helmsley, and still going strong now carrying water for the golden-haired blubber boy blathering farce, Trump.
     
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    Yes, and that is a fact. Well done. If you can learn to be consistent in recognizing the difference between opinion and fact then your posts may one day be of some interest.
     
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    Must be somewhat interesting. At least one of them got your attention.
     
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    Concern about blue collar jobs shrinking have been a concern since the backhoe replaced the shovel, yet unemployment is at a low of 3.5%. What's never taken into consideration in these situations is human ingenuity and adaptability, despite all the available evidence over the thousands of years of human records. Those two qualities of humankind never seem to surface in gloomy futuristic studies yet they remain the most important.
     

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