Electric Cars

Of course, when pigs fly.

 

Not everyone wants to carry grain and go a bit further than horses. Go at horse speed, my customers won't pay the bills when I have to double or triple them to cover the time.

Explain to those that couldn't afford a $10,000 car that they need to buy a dearer one. Love the logic.

When I retire, a much smaller vehicle is all that's needed. A small petrol car will suffice.

 

Wrong!

That is the OPINION of someone who shares your misinformed opinion on the matter.

However those misinformed opinions are not shared by Daimler/Freightliner which is already SELLING their heavy EV trucks.

https://www.truckinginfo.com/338669/freightliner-delivers-first-ecascadia-electric-trucks

BYD has an entire RANGE of EV trucks on the market.

https://en.byd.com/truck/

Volvo will be launching their EV trucks in 2020.

So everyone else is WRONG and only you and one other person are right?

 

Those EV trucks are already on the roads and there will be more and more of them in the next 5 years and there is NOTHING that you can do to stop that happening because it has already begun and it will only gain momentum just like it did with hybrids.

Ask anyone who operates a fleet of trucks if they would like to save on their fuel and maintenance costs and they will all say yes. Fewer moving parts means fewer repair bills. Using electricity is CHEAPER than diesel and best of all it is NOT controlled by the Fossil Fuel cartel and subject to sudden price changes because of unrest in the Middle East.

In essence it is an easy decision for fleet owners just as it was an easy decision for Utilities to abandon fossil fuels and switch over to renewables.

No amount of denialism is going to alter this reality from happening NOW!

 

Strawman fallacy.

How far did you get in your Tesla truck? What's the costing and environmental issues of building and running a diesel truck for 20 years versus an electric one? I'm sure you've worked the data out to diss that guy's opinion.

 

I've never denied EV's are not a reality and will replace fossil fueled cars. If I can remind you and many posters again for about the 4th time, the timescale you're excited about is not achievable and the infrastructure is way off, further than you think.

You are shoving the cart down the necks of everyone but they haven't got any horses, and that's what you are doing with cars. Little dream worlds of everyone having the perfect house, space and wallet to buy and accommodate an EV is so far fetched.

I don't believe you've looked into the carbon footprint of EV's and their effect on pollution. As in, what is the carbon footprint to provide the electric to charge a car actually is, the hazardous materials used, cost of replacing batteries etc..

 

The problem with electric cars is batteries. Batteries are a pollution-generating nightmare.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...lectric-cars-carbon-sustainable-power-energy/

Yes, electric cars operate nice and green at the spot where they're operated, but they created, and will continue to create, a frightening amount of pollution elsewhere.

Yes, advances in technology can, and will, mitigate the amount of pollution associated with electric cars, but not within the deadline of the ticking time bomb that has been handed to us by Alexandra Hyphen-Teeth and Scoldilocks Thunberg, not even close.

If our environmental situation is really so dire, then manufacturing electric cars will only speed up the clock on the bomb, and therefore we need to stop making electric cars immediately, and start riding bicycles.

We can't even ride horses, because horse farts.

"Get on your bikes and ride!"

-Freddie Mercury

 

The trend is towards electric vehicles. However, at this time they are completely wrong for heavy long haul trucking. It is not economically feasible to allow a half million dollars worth of truck and cargo to sit around while they recharge their batteries. More than likely, they will break into the market for short haul in cities and in areas of heavy pollution. Long haul heavy trucking will occur only after the infrastructure and technical break through allow their use and that is decades away.

In the meantime, long charging times and the pollution associated with manufacturing batteries will retard their progress.

There is also the possibility of a variation of batteries. That is fuel cells. They operate very similar to batteries by chemically producing electricity. However, they can refuel the fuel cells by replacing the active materials. However, at this time those active materials are very expensive.

 

There is about as much chance of that happening as there is that we will have colonies in Andromeda...

 

Exactly. And frankly anybody using gas is going to run out as well unless they have a reserve.

Besides from personal experience if the power is out everywhere I'm not commuting for a damn thing, no point. If I don't have power at work no need to go.

 

Did you know that the chairman of IBM once predicted that the entire world would only need 5 computers?

People who should know better making asinine remarks is not uncommon.

Believing those inanities because they match up to Confirmation Bias takes it to another level.

 

I'd love an electric truck.
But i need 4wd with ground clearance and the ability to go 700 miles or more on a charge.

Ohh and i need a source of electricity that doesn't contribute to climate change, isn't an eyesore that's heavily subsidized, doesn't kill off migratory fish species, or fry birds and bats or create waste that lasts for a hundred thousand years.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHHHHA!

Still pushing the DEBUNKED disinformation about EV's creating more pollution than every other vehicle currently being manufactured?

The FACTS are available for EVERYONE to see since multiple studies have already been conducted PROVING that EV's produce LESS pollution over their entire life cycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_aspects_of_the_electric_car

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190412122912.htm

Sad!

 

That actually happened after Hurricane Sandy hit NJ. My place of work was shut down for a week because the power was out as was a large part of the state. Since I still had both power and the internet I just carried on working virtually for that week.

 

Remember too that a used electric car with a battery almost worn out is pretty much worthless. It costs thousand to replace the battery.

They there is the environmental problem of what to do with the used battery.

 

That didn't answer anything. Where's your data?

 

Wrong!

Batteries can be refurbished for more or less the same as it does to replace a transmission.

https://www.serratoyota.com/blog/toyota-hybrid-battery-replacement-costs/

https://www.transmissionrepaircostguide.com/

Odds are the labor cost to remove and replace the battery will be less than for the transmission.

 

Did you miss post #213 entirely?

 

Why do you keep saying things that I've never said? How can I debate if you constantly make stuff up?

You're under the illusion solar and EV's are the solution to eliminating pollution and carbon. You're taken in hook line and sinker. The reduction you're hoping is nowhere near as to what you think. For a start, solar and wind cannot replace power plants.

So STOP twisting and inventing everything I say.

 

I know of a poster here that does and he believes it's achievable within a handful of years. That's what society is up against.

 

The links you provide always prove fruitless. They're not much difference to a blog. So I no longer click on them.

 

Now you are DENYING your own words that I just DEBUNKED?

I provided you with FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES doing wheel to wheel comparisons and your only response is to DENY that your own words? WTF?

Then you COMPOUND your denial by posting an asinine STRAWMAN about me!

You have effectively DISQUALIFIED yourself from any further meaningful interaction on this topic as far as I am concerned since you REFUSE to look at any of the FACTUAL DATA and the OBJECTIVE REALITY of what is already happening all around you.

Have a nice day!

 

Thank you for proving that I am 100% correct about your abject refusal to look at any of the FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC DATA that triggers your confirmation bias.

 

25 years ago, they promised me a jetpack.

I want my damn jetpack!

 

Yeah, it's similar to sewers.