Electric Cars

And that is to produce a fuel which has only about three quarters of the energy density of gasoline. Put on top of that a tanker trunk will only carry three quarters of the energy of gasoline. and the transportation costs go up. Just about everything works against it. And then the production is highly subsidized.

 

I grow it.

My point was America isn’t the only place using biofuels. Per capita we use far less than many other countries.

The “using food for fuel” argument is lame.

 

Burnt a few more logs and bought a new diesel van.

 

yes, and Electric is still a relatively new and developing technology but it's already deemed to be more reliable than ICE, if that's not obvious now it should be painfully obvious in about 5 to 10 years, with that said somebody driving a Toyota Camry is going to tell you it's been dead-ass reliable too with an engine that is projected to outlast the shell.

I think once the used Market expands a little with all the units that have been sold recently trickling down and new models increasing sales, expanding charging stations on a big scale are all coming up

but it will take some time, we have 15 stations within 20 miles but My actual City only has 3 and we're over 100k. It wouldn't surprise me of all if we had 20 this time next year and 50 the next.

I'll be continuing to use gas until a circumstance comes across where it just makes sense, I'm actually a perfect candidate but not willing to spend 20K to save 800 a year. I'll be more interested in buying at a 2024 model in 2029

I've always thought the hybrid concept where you get the best of both worlds was going to be the one that made a big leap in market share

 

And-----------let me zero in on part of my previous post. The part about farmers using more and more fertilizer, pesticides, and herbicides. They are NOT all used up by the corn. A good percentage leaches down in the ground, and end up in the ground water that people drink!!!

Think about that.

 

I like the concept of electric cars, and the engineering is cool, but the idea that they're "green" is pretty much a fairytale. They may be "green" locally, but they really only just push the pollution "elsewhere".

Elsewhere generally being in 3rd world nations.

 

Solar doesn't work at home to charge a car if the power was out at least that's what the salesman told me. (feedback, but a generator would work)

Generally speaking I don't think the people with electric cars are any better or worse off than the people with gas cars that have limited gas reserves during a blackout.

long term, Some form of solar on the hood of a car does make sense even if it's a trickle charge, cant hurt!

 

A gallon of gas contains 120 million joules of energy. Most electrical outlets can't deliver a tenth of that in an hour. You think an electrical outlet will?

I think we can see why you have time to post here so much.

I actually like electric cars. My sister owns a Model 3. I just can't pass up making fun of people for saying stupid things.

 

They also have the speed Chargers now that'll get you 80% in 30 minutes. I'm assuming 15 or 20 years from now those are going to be everywhere, and faster, the infrastructure is already there.

 

All down to batteries.

https://futurism.com/electric-vehicles-future-batteries-past

I wonder how far electric fire trucks can travel full of water?

 

Once a solar panel is manufactured and put into production you don't need to replace it for TWENTY+ YEARS so that pollution should be DIVIDED by 7,300 and compared to the DAILY POLLUTION from coal to produce the same amount of electricity.

Then there is the direct head to head cost of producing electricity and Solar BEATS fossil fuels in that debate.

Finally, and by far the MOST IMPORTANT, is the 2nd hand long term health risks of having air POLLUTED by fossil fuels on a DAILY BASIS which is something that DOES NOT HAPPEN with Solar power generation.

One time fabrication pollution versus ONGOING DAILY pollution has already established that the former is infinitely superior to the planet destroying latter alternative.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

You do NOT need $30k's worth of solar panels to recharge a car. A more realistic figure is $12k and the fuel savings ALONE would pay that off in 8 years which would mean you would end up being $18k RICHER at the end of 20 years.

 

Those Tesla "golf carts" can outdrag any stupid muscle car you can buy!

In fact a Tesla Roadster can outdrag a Ferrari for that matter.

 

If the car has a 200 mile range and your commute is 50 miles per day then the power outage would need to last more than 4 days for that to be a problem.

 

Then you must spend most of your day making fun of yourself because comparing apples to oranges makes no sense whatsoever!

Next time do some research into home charging stations for electric vehicles since you have so much time on your hands.

 

Yup!

30 minutes is about the average time a rest stop on the turnpike will take.

The demand for those speed chargers will probably make them cheaper to produce in bulk.

 

How many fire trucks have to go 100+ miles just to reach a fire?

 

You are ignoring the fact that technology improves. Right now, large vehicles and aircraft should definitely not be electric. But as technology improves, that will change. Just remember, that the first cars couldn't come close to surviving on rough terrain like horses can. That changed.

 

That was the whole point of me joining the thread. These timescales to phase out petrol and diesel vehicles is not achievable because the technology and infrastructure will take much longer to develop.

 

But people shouldn't be advocating pollution. Solar panels are not green, alternatives should be championed. It's just picking the least of which the worst.

 

Then it sounds like the real solution is to be more practical about what we can achieve and get a more realistic time scale. We should also be investing more into tax breaks and research in electric cars and fixing real problems they have.

 

And the chemical used in fracking always gets into o and he ground water think about that

 

I doubt it they would get that far and then having to use diesel generators to pump the water.

https://www.firehouse.com/home/prod...nbauer-introduces-concept-electric-fire-truck

Articles always seem to omit cost and range. Probably because both are dreadful.

 

How long did it take to get cars to get here they are today? SE Asia and I’ll get there first. They have to thier cities are choking. In many cities Diesel engines are banned

 

For a start, if it's dearer, the consumer can't afford it.

Also, as they rush out the infrastructure to meet current technology, will it be suitable for future technology?

I understand that vehicle manufacturers won't develop EV's unless incentivised, and that incentive is not being able to sell new fossil fuelled cars. From a certain date. That date is not realistic.

Plus, these EV's are just to satisfy this man made climate hoax.