Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

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  1. Giftedone

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    RMS-56 Bulava SLBM
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava

    Hiroshima was roughly 15 KT - these are then 10 x the power of Hiroshima .. more than enough to destroy any significant City.
     
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    Your own sources says the missiles carry six warheads. Not 10.

    And it is no secret that every Russian nuclear missile submarine that leaves Russian territorial waters is trailed by an American or British nuclear attack submarine which have orders to sink them if they show they are preparing to launch a missile.

    A capability the Russians and Chinese DO NOT have regarding American or British SSBNs.
     
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    Correct for this missile -16 missiles .. 6 MIRV's each for the RSM - 56 Bulvaria .. I read was 10 for others. that is still near 100 cities

    Since I already stated this .. why are you bringing it up again. 16 missiles 6 MIRV's each = 96 cities destroyed.

    Prove the above claim.
     
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    You didn't put anything to bed or debunk anything. Nothing in your post addresses Sprey's comments in relation to Stealth - and it certainly does not debunk Sprey's claims with respect to the F-35's lack of maneuverability.
     
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    You apparently didn't watch them all..

    And you are ignoring the fact that the f 35 is a bomber!!!!!

    The F35 will come in undetected destroy air defences and command and control..

    IF enemy fighter pilots are stupid enough to get their planes airborne f 22s will cut them down like butter.

    That according to all of the real world data we have. So you are being anti science here.
     
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    Prove your claim that the multiple warheads on a MIRVed missile can each be targeted on widely separated cities.
     
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    We want defend our own nation. We dont attack targets on our own soil. For defense we need a powerful and fast aircraft.

    A fully loaded typohoon makes mach 2.4. The F-35 only mach 1.8.

    Our air force said the F-35 does not match the performance we want. It only has one engine. Thats a ko criterium.
     
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    You do know our submarines create no sound and no heat that could be detected? They lay dormant in shallow waters where nuclear subs cant operate and wait.

    Why you think Israel chose our subs? Obviously because they are good.
     
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    politics. What can a engineer do when he gets no spare parts because the buying contract has to go 4 different offices and it takes months to get it through?

    Its the problem with democracy. Its a flawed system. I prefer an empire but the weak system we have now is what we have to work with. Maybe it changes back to a more effective way of governance in the future.
     
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    You do know I would hope that 100,000 ton supercarriers such as the U.S. deploys rarely traverse shallow waters and most certainly would not in a war time situation.

    Israel chose German submarines because the U.S. doesn't build non nuclear submarines any more.
     
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    We should drop down to zero. You pay our defense anyways. We have proven in the past we can build up a powerful military in a short time if needed.

    Right now we dont need and i see no sense in it. You pay our defense anyways. As long this system is running, its running. We have very good defense products. You dont earn money by using it ourself. We produce for export.

    Even if we leave NATO, nothing would change. We have NATO around us. So evry enemy who would try attack us had to cross NATO.

    If you understand that geopolitical position, you understand why we act like we do.

    Germany first.

    We rule Europe through economic might. Defense is paid by the americans.

    For 30 years you guys want us to build up our military. For same time we just ignore it and even shrink it further. We act like a gigantic switzerland.

    Your Trump stomps angry on the ground but achieved nothing. Defense budget slightly did rise and is planned to be cut again and even shrink under the current level.

    From economic numbers, Germany could even rise to 4% DGP and have 2nd strongest army in the world and it would not even affect our budget. Trump said this in his angry rant at NATO summit.

    And? We just ignore it.
     
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    Fully loaded, it doesn't go anywhere close to mach 2.4.
     
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    Sprey did not design the F-16 or A-10 so you using him as a source has no credibility. The sources you've given for him debunks your own claim.
     
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    Nice so your subs cant operate in coastal regions. Makes sense now why we have so many deals
     
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    If you want Germany to be America's bitch then that of course is your decision.
     
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    American submarines can operate fine in coastal regions. The U.S. doesn't build conventional submarines anymore for the simple reason that American submarines need to have range and endurance. And you can only get that with nuclear power.
     
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    Germany as a navy smaller and less equiped than the US coast guard and the NYPD coupld defeat their army in a week end. I understand why sobo suffers from penis envy.
     
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    Why? You pay our defense. Your soldiers risk their life to defend our trade routes while we use our money to build fancy highpeed railways, or pipelines to russia to bu gas from there.

    You lost thousands of soldiers in Iraq. We even sold the insurgents weapons that killed your soldiers and when the dust setteled, we stepped in and made multi billion € contracts to rebuild the energy grid, while the american company was kicked out.

    We use you as long as possible.

    I have no envy. Honestly speaking i feel pity. Im far right. It would drive me crazy if we would get used like you do.
     
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    I didn't ignore any of your silliness .. presenting a dude - whose job it is - to pump up the F35 .. and expecting something different.

    Nothing in your post refutes .. or even addresses in any significant depth - Sprays comments on Stealth.

    If so .. then state what the fellow says that you found - Posting 30 min of video .. is not an argument for anything. I did open every link and listened to some - What minute in the video ... ? you have said nothing.
     
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    Oh but you are used, silly bunny...
    The USA and russia are creating the condition for mass migration to europe by hordes of muslims. And contrary to your belief, you can't do anything about it! Once those land and are granted citizenship in any european nation, they are free to travel and settle in any other european nation! Can you guess where they're told to go? Your own region of Thuringia has a brand new mosque now: https://www.efe.com/efe/english/lif...st-mosque-in-thuringia-state/50000263-3811517
     
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    Ignoring the fact that Sprey has absolutely no background in working with stealth technology.
     

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