Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

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    And those two F35 were themselve generating that polution on purpose...
     
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    $80 millions, not a billion.
     
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    I'm wondering how many of those aircraft will be airworthy? Can one fly 50 hours without breaking down?
     
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    Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

    Removing troops from Syria is resulting in an increase overall in deployed troops. That was predictable. Either you stay or leave. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    The Eurofighter won't get close enough for a dogfight.

    Remember the f35 is a strike aircraft. It will be accompanied by thec f-22. Which is fast, very fast and very maneuverable more than a match for the typhoon. They will prevent
    Enemies from getting to the f-35s

    Exactly the same way the f15 did for the F-16s much to the dismay of f-16 pilots by the way.
    But the fact is. The F 35 is plenty fast enough, plenty maneuverable enough to take on a eurofighter. As long as eurofighters like having amraams stuffed up their tailpipes.
     
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    Wow! I'm scared now!!!
     
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    Once again, NO ONE has ever claimed the F-35 is invisible to radar. And "slow" is a relative term. Almost all air combat takes place at subsonic speeds anyway. Which is well within the F-35s capabilities.
     
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    Prove it. And the tiny warheads you describe can't "destroy" most significant cities anyway.
     
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    One warhead would level any city and pollute the surroundings for many miles with radiation.
    Add wind driven fallout and you have a wide spread mess.
     
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    Not even Hiroshima and Nagasaki were completely destroyed contrary to myth. And cities would be attacked with airbursts. Which means minimal amounts of fallout.
     
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    You should. Its only Type of Submarine that breached your Security around aircraft carrier
     
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    We have No F22. Thanks for agreeing that F 35 as fleet backbone makes No sense
     
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    And they were rebuilt and people moved back in 10 years.
     
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    Was the carrier group operating under war condition where the ASW system were activelly searching for enemy sub? I think not.
     
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    The F35 isn't the fleet backbone silly. It's there to replace the F16.
     
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    It does make sense because the backbone of defense should be tactical aircrafts capable of delivering ordinance. The only reason reason to control the air is do you can destroy ground targets.
    F22 will dominate any airspace it enters while f35 destroys targets on the ground at will and is capable of defending itself against any threat.

    You also never answered my question what is the speed and manuverability of a fully loaded typhoon compared to the f35?
     
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    It was during a NATO exercise and the sub was able to penetrate the ASW screen of the carrier fleet and send greetings to the carrier captain, floating under the carrier.
     
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    Not true. Lots of submarines from allied nations have "breached the security" around U.S. aircraft carriers over the years. Just off hand, British and Danish submarines have done so.

    Why is this not a big deal?
    Because it is easy to penetrate the security of an American carrier battle group IN PEACETIME!!! You know when the submarine crew knows there is ZERO chance of someone firing a torpedo or dropping depth charges on them.

    It's also not a big deal because the submarine crews of allied nations generally know immense amount of details about the carrier they are stalking and about the escorts. Including knowledge of the captains and crews of the American vessels and their habits and tendencies. To say nothing of their knowledge of the weapons and equipment being used by the American vessels.

    Finally, whether it be naval exercise or air combat exercises, American forces typically operate in conditions and in a manner that give every possible advantage to the allied force exercising against them. Why? Because it serves no training advantage for either side if the American force simply overwhelms the other side using its raw numbers and technology.

    It does not help the escorts of an American carrier battle group get any decent training in anti submarine warfare if you have the nuclear attack submarine 50 miles ahead of the group simply plug the approaching German (or British/Canadian/Danish) submarine well beyond the groups reach.
     
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    You assume it wasn't detected then. And you also know that this story has been told before with different subs from different countries making it an urban legend at this point. I heard the same story with russian, french, UK, canadian, chinese subs poping up in the middle of the carrier group.
     
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    compared to todays nukes, those were just fireworks crackers. Even a airburst would produce massive amounts of radiation fallout.
     
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    Todays nuke are cleaner and their destructive power limited by design. They exist to destroy the opponent possibility to wage war, not to render the area unfit for life.
     
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    Airburst produce less fallout.
     
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    How? And the nuclear warheads described by Giftedone above were specifically mentioned as having yield of "7 times the size of Hiroshima" which would make them just above or just below 100 kilotons.

    Now if a 100 kiloton warhead detonates over a decent sized city (500,000 population is a good number for discussion) it will cause a lot of damage (depends on the terrain and a host of other factors) and would probably kill or severely injure around 200-300,000 people (depending on the population density) but a huge portion of the cities population would undoubtedly survive and a whole host of outlying structures would survive intact.
     
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    Oh hot damn. 5 whole subs?

    April 2018 seems like it was a difficult time for your defense forces.

    Only 4 of Germany′s 128 Eurofighter jets combat ready ... - DW
    May 2, 2018 - Only a handful of the German Air Force's Eurofighter jets are combat ready, ... Germany's lack of military readiness 'dramatic,' says Bundeswehr ...

    Looks like your Eurofighters are a lot crap too.

    And you are talking nonsense about our F-35's? If your engineers are such how stuff how come you have so much difficulty keeping your fighter jets combat ready?
     
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    Make no mistake we lose a carrier someone loses a city.
     

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