As unimaginable as this is........it's getting worse. Part II

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    Key White House Official Will Testify In Impeachment Inquiry If Subpoenaed
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tim-morrison-deposition-trump-taylor-sondland

    A National Security Council official who could confirm that President Trump was withholding Ukraine military assistance for investigations into his political rivals plans to testify in the House impeachment inquiry next week. And it looks like the White House will be unable to block him.

    “If subpoenaed, Mr. Morrison plans to appear for his deposition,” his lawyer told TPM, after first confirming the intention to Politico.

    From Politico...............

    "A slew of high-profile witnesses have defied White House, State Department and Pentagon orders not to cooperate with the impeachment probe. In each case, lawmakers have issued a subpoena, which the officials have relied on to justify testifying over the administration’s objections.

    Morrison, however, would be the first currently serving White House official to testify. He’s also the first official believed to be on a July 25 phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during which Trump pressed his counterpart to investigate former vice president Joe Biden."
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'd know if you'd read it.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    I did read it and it's not fricking there.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are still in stage one of TDS, Trump Denial Syndrome. No cure has yet to be found.

    1. He didn't do it.
    2. It is fake news.
    3. Okay, he did it but it was a nothingburger.
    4. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, but it wasn't illegal.
    5. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, but not when Trump does it.
    6. Okay, he did it, it was more than a nothingburger, it was illegal, but not when Trump does it.........and even if he broke the law I don't care cuz Hillary isn't prez.
     
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    Where in the transcript does it show a QPQ?

    *crickets*
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read it and find out.
     
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    House Judiciary Committee can see redacted materials from Mueller grand jury, judge says
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...materials-from-mueller-grand-jury-judge-says/

    The materials must be disclosed by Oct. 30 to the panel, the Friday court order states. The committee sued in July for a release of certain redacted materials and underlying records from the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
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    While this may provide more material on which to base articles of impeachment I think the Dems would be wise to keep the focus on the Ukraine debacle.
     
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    I did read it and it's not in there.
     
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    Hint:
    It's the favor.
     
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    Truth:
    Asking Zelensky to do the United States a "favor" when he was unaware of the aid being frozen is NOT a QPQ.
     
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    Truth: given that the favor being asked for was information on a political opponent to be used in an upcoming US election, which is illegal, the ask is all that is required for it to be an impeachable event.
     
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    Truth:
    The "favor" was asked on page 3 and was pertaining to crowd strike and the DNC server. Biden's name was not even mentioned until page 4 and was not related to the "favor."
     
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    Spanky had him over the barrel for a number of things. He sure knew about the Whitehouse meeting.
     
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    The Democrats are doing a swell job, especially Schiff. He’s a really sharp little guy. California and Burbank, his district are proud as punch.
     
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    Actually Biden is just a continuation of the prosecutor firing on page 3.
    Anyway Mulvaney confessed for Trump. Why are you trying to change the plea?
     
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    Do you think there is a double secret server hidden inside of a hunk of Chicken Kiev in Zelenskis Deli? I really do get a kick out of you poor little zany guys. It’s kind of cute. Is that what Rudy and the two big headed Sputniks were looking for before they got busted?
     
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    Ron does any sane person know what these guys are talking about when they keep ranting about this mysterious server? Is it larger than a bread box? Is it animal, mineral or vegetable? Does anyone have a picture of it? What color is it? I heard Barr was over in Italy the other day looking over a tray of baked Manicotti for it and the Italians finally told him to hit the bricks. What’s up with this deal?
     
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    Schiff-for-brains is a lying sack of crap.
     
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    What Mulvaney eluded to and what you left-wingers are eluding to are two totally different things. Try to keep up.
     
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    This is what Trump and his lawyer, William Barr, do not want you to know as they, House Republicans, and Senator Graham throw out various diversions to obscure the work in the impeachment inquiry. As Trump continues to say, "no quid pro quo," his own words, the evidence, and his own acting chief of staff say differently.

    In his testimony on Tuesday, William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Kiev, effectively confirmed that the President withheld military aid from Ukraine in a quid pro quo effort to pressure that country’s leader to incriminate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and smear other Democrats.

    Government sources in the Ukrainian capital said Washington pressured Zelensky's camp directly about the need to accommodate Trump's desires or no military aid.

    After confirming quid pro quo, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said this is how business is done in the Trump administration and "Get over it."

    Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper — who handles Ukraine, Russia and Eastern European policy for the Pentagon — testified that U.S. military assistance was restored on September 11 without any public statement by Zelenskiy about investigations then or since.

    On September 10, Trump was informed by his advisors that there was a serious problem regarding his political aims in Ukraine and the withholding of military aid, and Schiff knew about it.

    Next week, investigators want to hear from two officials on the national security council: Charles Kupperman, the former deputy national security adviser; and Tim Morrison, a top Russia and Eastern Europe policy specialist.

    Is it any wonder why frustrated Republicans in the House stormed the meeting room in the capitol and Graham gave us that infantile presentation, asking for a censure of the House! Republicans are desperate because the White House is avoiding the evidence and only objecting to the process. That objection has no basis in fact or circumstance. They are very concerned about the avoidance of the evidence by the White House, and Trump being the only litigator. Everyone else is silent on the issue, even Trump's counsel.

    Fool that he is, Trump even admitted his weakness. "I don't have a team ... I am the team." He never knows when to keep his mouth shut.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/10/25/7730...shell-testimony-and-revelations-from-the-east helped with this report.
     
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    ...and you left-wingers were pushing the Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy theory for over two fricking years.
     
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    Is Senator Lindsey Graham stupid? Does Graham think the American people are stupid?

    I ask these questions because, in his presentation today, he didn't know the difference between an impeachment inquiry and articles of impeachment.

    He said the full House voted down an impeachment inquiry in July. Then he put up a poster to proves his point. The poster showed clearly that the full House voted down Al Green's Articles of Impeachment of Trump. That has happened a few times in the House. Green is premature, to say the least.

    Urging that the full House vote on an impeachment inquiry, he proudly displayed the fact that was done in the case of Bill Clinton. He even had another poster to prove it. Problem is, his poster showed the vote on the Articles of Impeachment of Clinton, not an impeachment inquiry.

    Then Graham argued that Trump is being denied his rights of due process, failing to mention 47 Republicans and their staffs are in those closed door meetings defending Trump all they want. Graham failed to mention that it is Trump stonewalling the House, not the other way around. He also failed to mention that what the House is doing right now is the investigation stage. To impeach a President, evidence has to be gathered. Graham failed to mention that Ken Starr, as the independent prosecutor, took five years of secret meetings to gather evidence to impeach Clinton. We no longer have an independent prosecutor. Graham didn't mention that, either. The House has to do the investigating.

    Then to prove his point that Trump was denied due process, Graham came up with still another poster. Here it is:

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    Please note the poster says, "All the rights given to Clinton DURING IMPEACHMENT."

    Not during the impeachment inquiry, the investigative stage. Trump will have every one of those rights when the Articles of Impeachment are debated and in his Senate trial IF he is impeached.

    Trump is going down and he is going to take the Republicans with him. Graham's presentation was childlike in its performance. It as as if he was speaking to the intellectually challenged. Maybe he was.

    This presentation along with Republicans storming the secure room in the capitol yesterday shows that they are making complete fools of themselves. Graham bragged he had 41 Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who had approved his resolution.

    Just the idea that Republicans in the Senate wish to pass a resolution that censures the House of Representatives gives some idea how chaotic the Trump government is.

    Senator Graham is not stupid. But he is very afraid. He should be. Americans will have their say about all this, and he may become one of the casualties.
     
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    Best I can tell Trump drank the RW Kool-Aid about the server.
    Actually over 100 servers.
    They think it was an inside job that got Seth Rich killed and that the Ukrainian owner of Crowd strike (actually he is an American born Russian) has it hidden in a basement in the Ukraine (kind of like an Indiana Jones movie).

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