We Will rebuild the Middle Class

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's up to the State, the State has no requirement to let the people vote on it and what is not smart about whoever gets the majority of the votes wins? I vote as for whom MY STATE will cast it's votes. I don't vote in a national election I vote in a State election. And in Florida 2000 it almost came down the the state legislature choosing the states slate of Electors.
     
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    But of course permitting the left the right to rule over the minority would be a good idea. ;)
     
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    Insurmountable truth.
    The Democrats, in 1998, did not consider the federal felonies of perjury and obstruction of justice to be impeachable offenses.
     
  4. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you finally get to an acknowledgement that those people NEVER said or intimated that they thought/think perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment...

    ...you let me know.

    In the meantime, I am just going to laugh at your diversions.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've given it to you, THEY gave it to you in their votes. I gave it you in my link. You inablilty to refute is noted.

    Max Boucus
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    The Constitution required us to determine whether the President's conduct rose to the level of an impeachable offense that warranted removing him from office.

    I do not believe that his conduct rose to that level on either perjury or obstruction of justice. Therefore, I voted against conviction."

    Max Clelland
    "In my judgment, under all the oaths I have taken under the United States Constitution, his offenses do not rise to the required level for impeachable offenses under the United States Constitution."
     
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    You could prosecute a hamburger if you wanted too
     
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    When you finally get to the point where you acknowledge that the person you mentioned NEVER said or intimated that they thought/think perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment...

    ...let me know.

    In the meantime, I am going to continue to laugh at your floundering.

    (Hint: None of those people ever said or intimated that.)
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you want to prosecute a hamburger, give it a try.

    You are mangling a quote about indicting...not prosecuting.

    And...if you know of anyone who has "prosecuted" a hamburger, could you name him so we would all know.
     
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    Lying about a consensual affair pales in comparison to trying to use a foreign power to effect the outcome of a Presidential election
     
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    Federal felonies are federal felonies.
     
  11. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I just did. When you can refute the facts as posted get back to me.
     
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    yep, lets get Trump under oath and ask him about his affairs
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    He lied about using the power of his office to trade special favors and treatment for subordinate workers who granted him sexual favor, using federal resources to so and did so in a federal court proceeding and then before a federal grand jury. There were 11 charges presented to Congress including perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice and witness tampering. When Trump has committed those offenses let me know.
     
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    the White House was where he lived, Trump paid off Stormy, dems I supposed could have impeached him for that, but they did not

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    You have NOT done so...although I expect will continue to pretend you have.

    I do not have to refute (what you call) the facts...because there is not one fact that indicates any of the people you mentioned claimed or intimated that they thought/think perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment.

    Now get off the nonsense.

    Produce...or acknowledge you cannot produce.

    Or continue to entertain.
     
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    Perjury, obstruction, lying directly to the American citizen, his boss--enough to get you fired in the real world--selling technology to China in exchange for campaign donations, his wife's betrayal of Stevens, and the heroes of Benghazi, Obama's lies--it was a film, not a terrorist attack, you can keep your doctor and your plan. Yeah, Trump may be a bigger bastard, but the Left breeds them like cockroaches.

    It's not the consensual affair, it's the oath of office, Clinton betrayed it. He lied under oath. He lied to a judge. He lied to his wife. He's a GDMF liar, and the you socialist whiners let him off. He accepted money from China, and you dishonorable cretins let him off. And now you same lying hypocrite collectivists have the audacity to ask the Republicans to honor the Republic? The Founding Fathers? To behave morally? To do the right thing? Excuse me while I spit in your collective eye.

    The Left is just as corrupt, despicable, and depraved as the Right.

    Yeah, Trump ought to be impeached, and then all of congress ought to resign for being just as corrupt, rotten, and vile.

    Don't you get it? You made Trump possible.
     
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    Ah, so you agree: It was perfectly legitimate to impeach Clinton for perjury and obstruction.
    Thanks.
     
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    yep, he was, and it was on less than what Trump did, so you agree Trump should be impeached as well

    what I do not agree is Star turning the investigation into an affair investigation

    same as if Mueller had started investigating Trump's affairs

    Trump will be impeached too and just like Clinton, his bad deeds will be remembered forever
     
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    “ When the ablest men turn into cowards, the average men turn into brutes."--Ayn Rand

    It's you, the Left, who excused Clinton; it's you, the Left, who turned into cowards; and it's you, the Left that gave us, Trump, the brute. Who's fkng sorry now? The whole fkng country, what's morally left of it.

     
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    Only applicable if they were in the WH, with an intern, while he was president.

    Otherwise, you aren't even in the ballpark.
     
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    Lack of rebuttal noted again. Their votes and statement and cites stand.

    Nadler
    ""Mr. Speaker, the case against the president has not been made," Nadler said. "There is far from sufficient evidence to support the allegations, and the allegations, even if proven true, do not rise to the level of impeachable offenses.""
     
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    In what state election for the electors was there not one man one vote?
     
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    Jebus, you cant be that obtuse. It IS the electors that do not provide one-man-one vote.

    simple question: How did Trump get 2,819,534 votes in NY, ond not ONE vote from the EC.......go ahead, I'll wait
     
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    You have nothing...and I guess this is the nonsense you have to go with.

    Okay I feel sorry for you.

    In any case, if had even a single quote from any of the people you mentioned with any one of them claimed or intimated that they thought/think perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment...

    ...you would be posting it time after time after time.

    Instead, you use the words, "I've already done it."

    You haven't...and for good reason.

    NONE of them has ever said that.
     
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    if the cover up was done with stormy during the election and not reported, that is also a crime

    his lawyer is doing time now, individual one can not be indicted
     
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