We Will rebuild the Middle Class

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  1. Bluesguy

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    There wasn't a NPV in 2016.
     
  2. Frank

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    You asked me a question and I answered it.

    If you think answering one of your questions is an unintelligent thing to do...fine with me.

    I kinda agree.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    States, territory and population.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    And it remains you have nothing intelligent to add........gotcha
    You
    Here's the question
    Are you denying the Democrats said perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and witness tampering did not warrant impeachment and removal from office?
     
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    You asked a question and I answered it.

    Obviously you think your question was not worth an answer.

    Got it.


    If any Democrat said perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment...

    ...that Democrat is an idiot...almost as dumb as that jerk now in the Oal Office.

    I certainly consider all those things to warrant impeachment.

    If you have specifics of any Democrats saying they do not warrant impeachment...quote the Democrat saying it and I will call that person out specifically.

    Otherwise, stop blowing smoke.
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    No you didn't but now you attempt to....




    They did in both the House and the Senate during the Clinton impeachment.

    Pelosi, Nadler, Biden, Schumer and dozens more. So back to your noting hypocracy, who are the hypocrite here?
     
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    Thats just your misunderstanding.

    The very clear objective of my post was to demonstrate that US citizens are NOT all faily represented.

    In fact, there is a population of citizens in the US that is larger than two states where there is NO voting representation in congress - even though that congress not only makes decisions for the whole population but actually dictates specific limits on that unrepresented population.

    Was that clear enough?
     
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    I’m sorry, but DC is not a state. I agree that maybe they should get reapportioned into another state, unfortunately, they currently choose to live in a federally run district that is not a state, and does not receive the benefits a state receives. All of the representatives on Capitol Hill are DC’s representation, so there is that.
     
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    Wow!! I KNOW what our cuerent system is!! Duh! The issue is that our current system is grossly unrepresentative, excluding voters from the governing body that controls them.

    This has very real ramifications.

    Remember that there was a real reason that the Virginia portion of DC was ceded back to Virginia for a VERY REAL REASON. A reason that applies to the rest of DC today.

    Those of the early 1800's saw the system as wrong enough that it had to get fixed - they just didn't solve the whole problem, so the problem with our current law exists TODAY.

    We in America believe in equal representation and STRONGLY object to taxation without representation.

    Washington, DC is being governed AND taxed WITHOUT representation.

    Get it? I know the law. The law is a major problem. There IS a solution that has been used in the past and did not require a constitutional amendment.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    Oh. And, that last sentence is just plain silly.

    Congress does NOT "represent" DC. Congressmen represent those who VOTED for them.

    Let's be rational here. Taxation without representation, lack of represntation by those being governed, lack of ability for a population larger than some states to raise money for infrastructure, or work on other needed solutions or economic investments, etc. - these are serious issues.
     
  11. Frank

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    Yes, I did...

    ...and I am not attempting to answer again...I AM answering again.





    I think they didn't.


    Okay...come up with one quote from Pelosi, Nadler, Biden or Schumer saying that perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment.

    Let's go. Just one!

    My guess: You are not even going to come close.
     
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    We would still be using Liberal policies that drove this economy into the ground. Liberals are determined to kill the goose laying the golden eggs.


    Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid ...
    www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/...
    Apr 27, 2014 · Economy Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
    How good were the 10.9 million jobs under Obama?
    Money.CNN.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/...
    Nov 03, 2016 · CNNMoney breaks down what kinds of jobs have been created and ... Almost all of the job gains under President Obama have been in so-called service jobs,

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    “Fast food is driving the bulk of the job growth at the low end — the job gains there are absolutely phenomenal,” said Michael Evangelist, the report’s author. “If this is the reality — if these jobs are here to stay and are going to be making up a considerable part of the economy — the question is, how do we make them better?”

    The report shows that total employment has finally surpassed its pre-recession level. “The good news is we’re back to zero,” Mr. Evangelist said.

    But job losses and gains have been skewed. Higher-wage industries — like accounting and legal work — shed 3.6 million positions during the recession and have added only 2.6 million positions during the recovery. But lower-wage industries lost two million jobs, then added 3.8 million.
    HTTPS://www.nytimes.com/…/recovery-has-created-far-more-low…
    77 percent of 2013 jobs were part-time positions ...
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/2/part-timer-nation...
    Aug 02, 2013 · Fully 77 percent of positions added to the market in 2013 have been part-time, in contrast to the positive economic news making the media rounds, according to payroll reports released in recent weeks.
    "There are now 1.2 million fewer jobs in mid- and higher-wage industries than there were before the Great Recession, according to data from the National Employment Law Project. In contrast, there are 2.3 million more jobs in lower-wage sectors than before the recession," according to CNBC. Nor is there the hoped-for renaissance in American manufacturing. We have some 300,000 fewer manufacturing jobs since President Barack Obama took office and 1.5 million jobs below the pre-recession level.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/23/the-part-time-economic-recovery
     
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    Trump is rebuilding the middle Class.


    Why vote Democrat or Liberal? More people working than any time in our history. Minorities have the lowest unemployment in their history. September 8 at 5:12 AM ·

    Record 157,878,000 Employed in August
    “The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,878,000 in August, the 21st record set under President Donald Trump, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Susan Jones reports for CNS News.
    “The unemployment rate held steady at 3.7 percent. For blacks, the unemployment rate dropped to a record low of 5.5 percent last month. And for Hispanics, the... Unemployment rate was 4.2 percent in August, which ties the record low set earlier this year.”
    Click here to read more.
    “It’s been a lost summer for the Washington Post,” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham and Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley write in the Washington Examiner. “Despite record-setting accomplishments in record-setting time, data shows the news coverage of Trump has been 92% negative. The most egregious and dangerous forms of this bias thrived this summer at media outlets like the Washington Post, which routinely masquerade opinion as news.”


    A whopping 266,000 jobs was created in November, with 54,000 manufacturing jobs created. All the while Canada lost jobs. Economist are blown away and Biden predicting a recession.
     
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    Corey Lewandowski: America's economy is the hottest in the ...
    https://www.foxnews.com › opinion › corey-lewandowski-president-trump-a...

    Jul 22, 2019 - Corey Lewandowski: America's economy is the hottest in the world ... In this new era, the economy is great not merely because workers are seeing bigger paychecks and .... So why the pic of Mercury going past Pacman?


    Larry Kudlow: We're Hottest Economy in World | Newsmax.com
    www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/kudlow...
    Jan 24, 2019 · “We're the hottest economy in the world. Nothing has changed,” Kudlow told Fox Business Network when asked how the government shutdown could hurt economic growth. Kudlow, assistant to the president for economic policy and director of the White House’s National Economic Council, pointed to a litany of strong economic data.


    1. The US Has The Hottest Economy In The World, Transition Set ...
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      Oct 02, 2019 · Trump is deregulating and cutting taxes, he just the Germany budget by 20 million.The US is now the hottest economy. All source links to the report can be found on the x22report.com site.
     
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    Hasbro is to start making play-doh in the U.S. Again.

    U.S. Hasbro, Inc. Is returning to the U.S. And will make the beloved children’s modeling clay in a Massachusetts factory rather than in China or Turkey.




    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes.


    Stanley Black and Decker closing China plant.... Moving to Texas
    https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/stanley-black-and-decker-closing-china-plant-moving-to/83525376/ · Jun 21, 2019

    Chinese Co, moving to Ohio
    His company, Fuyao Glass, has invested over $1 billion stateside, according to the Post, the most significant move of which is opening its U.S. Factory in the Ohio town of Moraine, a suburb of Dayton, back in October. The glass maker is re-purposing the town’s former General Motors assembly that had been standing empty since late 2008, as the Dayton Daily News reports.

    According to Ohio TV station WDTN, the plant now employs a workforce of almost 2,000, and Cao expects that the fully operational facility will employ up to 3,000 workers.

    https://fortune.com/2016/12/22/us-china-manufacturing-costs-investment/




    Tianyuen Garments Co.
    In October of last year, Tianyuan Garments Co. Acquired a defunct 100,000-square foot metal fabrications plant in Little Rock, Arkansas and announced a $20 million investment that will make them the first Chinese manufacturing company to manufacture clothing in the US. The company is refurbishing the facility set to open later this year and plans to employ 400 workers to produce clothes for brands like Adidas, Reebok, and Armani.

    Sun Paper Industry
    Another big announcement from a Chinese manufacturing company in the past year is from Chinese paper products maker, Sun Paper Industry. They recently announced a $1 billion investment that will create 250 US jobs at their new bio-products mill in South Arkansas.

    Local and state governments in the US are able to offer incentives to foreign companies that tip the scales in favor of moving from China to the US. Many Chinese manufacturing companies are now realizing that the lower transportation costs and taxes are making it more profitable to do business in North America than in Asia. As the trend grows, the Chinese companies who provide so many manufactured goods to the North American market are finding that employing American workers is the most profitable method of production.



    Tariffs are forcing Big Tech to move production out of China
    https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/12/tech-companies-move-manufacturing-china-trade-wars
    Jun 12, 2019 · Tariffs are forcing Big Tech to move production out of China Though China previously warned against cooperating with US trade restrictions. Christine Fisher , @cfisherwrites
     
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    Nope just begin argumentative now.


    You think they voted to impeach and remove? You knowledge of history would be sorely lacking



    I got their votes. Are you claiming they voted to impeach and remove Clinton?
     
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    Democrats want to make China Great Again. Trump is decimating China and more companies are sourcing elsewhere. China's exports have plunged.

    Trump doesn't really care about the trade deal with China. NK is a puppet of China and direct talks with NK blunted that for awhile until China figured out what Trump was doing. You will see more rocket launches from the NK now since China knows Trump isn't really interested in a deal.

    Trump has been meeting with industry leaders convincing them to source anywhere but China, including sourcing here and it is working.
     
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    How important is it China is losing factories because of the tariffs? China has about a 500 billion trade surplus against us. She is using much of that money to build up her military to out arm us. Some say when she does she will make a move on Twain, which we have a defense treaty with, drawing us into a war. She has already threatened us not to sell new advanced fighters to her and warned us to stay out of the South China Sea where she has built man made islands and has military bases on them. She is building the biggest submarine plant in the world. Can build twice as many as we can. This trade war can slow China down if she keeps losing money and factories.



    China Cancels Plans for Two Nuclear-Powered Super Aircraft ...

    https://nationalinterest.org › blog › buzz › china-cancels-plans-two-nuclear...

    1 day ago - China's People's Liberation Army Navy takes many of its cues from the U.S. Navy as it develops its carrier aviation branch. It is seeking similar ...


    China Is Building the World's Largest Submarine Factory

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...uilding-the-worlds-largest-submarine-factory/
     
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    Many don't like Trump but I thank God he got in. He saw what happened to this economy and knew America could never remain a world power and economic power on 90%plus service and part time jobs created under Obama's policies and went strait to work to fix it and bring back manufacturing. He said America can't remain a super power without our steel industry and that was the first thing he went after. He saw what China was doing and the lousy trades we had and went to fix that. Our military was a mess. 75% of Navy and Marine fighters and heavy lift helicopters were grounded for lack of parts. Some of our submarines were out of commission, some more than four years. Most of our carriers needed fixing.
     
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    What the massive US military budget pays for
    www.click2houston.com/news/politics/what-the...
    When President Donald Trump signed the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill on Friday, he approved what his administration calls the largest military budget in US history, $700 billion.( to fix the mess Obama left the military in.
    Grounded: Nearly two-thirds of US Navy’s strike fighters ...
    https://www.defensenews.com/.../02/06/grounded-nearly-two...
    Overhauls — "availabilities" in Navy parlance — are being canceled or deferred, and when ships do come in they need longer to refit. Every carrier overall for at least three years has run long, and some submarines are out of service for prolonged periods, as much as four years or more. One submarine, the Boise, has lost its diving certification …

    70% of Marine Aircraft Can't Fly - …
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/70-of-marine-aircraft...
    Out of 276 F/A-18 Hornet strike fighters in the Marine Corps inventory, only about 30% are ready to fly, according to statistics provided by the Corps. Similarly, only 42 of 147 heavy-lift CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters are airworthy.
     
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    I gave you answers...and I am continuing to do so.



    YOU claimed that Democrats said perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment.

    I said they didn't.

    You realize I am correct and you are wrong, so you are attempting to move the goalpost.

    Ain't gonna work.





    [quote
    I got their votes. Are you claiming they voted to impeach and remove Clinton?[/QUOTE]

    I never said anything about their votes. I said they did not claim that perjury, obstruction of justice, subornation of perjury and/or witness tampering does not warrant impeachment.

    They didn't.

    Give it up. You are not that good at this kind of thing.
     
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    This.
    If they do not like taxation w/o representation, they have the option to move.
    Otherwise, they choose to not have representation, nullifying any argument to that effect.
     
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    And they don't want to pass the new Mexico/Canada deal either and give him another win.
     
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    So you you are claiming the voted to impeach him and remove. Your lack of historical accuracy is amazing.



    They voted that perjury, subornation of perjury, obstruction of justice and witness tampering did not rise to the level of impeachment and removal. Their actual votes speak louder than words. Are you deny they all voted either not to impeach or not to remove?
     
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    Are you in the electoral college ? If not, then you got no vote.

    Your literally making things up now. No, if you voted to DJT and lived in New York, your vote wen to Hillary. It’s just a fact.

    Trump received 2,819,534 votes in NY, and ZERO EC votes.

    So your conceding that we do not have equal representation. The on man does not have one vote. Because in Montana they get 3 for everyone in NY
     

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