WATCH LIVE: Two Dead, One Wounded After Shooting Reported at White Settlement Church

Do you know how many laws and regulations there are in America and in the world? Billions. Vey few of them are applied equally. I don't think society needs to be oppressive but that it should favor freedom and liberty whenever possible. For instance, right now in Saudi Arabia people are being punished for daring to wear the clothes that they want to wear instead of the white sheets for men and black ones for women. That is too oppressive. But it may be a good idea to behead murderers if it is consistent.

The idea of eternal punishment and the promise of eternal reward is just superstitious BS because there is no kind of any celestial God of any kind in this solar system.

 

Wow you guys got off the point quick. For some reason the libs took this thread to religion, homicide rates by states, saying no way 242 people would have died and whatever else they could come up with. Thank god the governor signed this into law earlier this year. It had Biden and all the Dem presidential candidates up in arms calling it irrational blah blah blah. Now they got a first class example of how brilliant it is to have law abiding citizens defending their own against the pieces of crap out there. This would have been another mass shooting with a 10 round shotgun you can bet a lot more were about to die if this armed gentlemen wouldn't have taken down the shooter in 6 seconds. Crimnals will always be criminals and the last major CDC study by Obama found that for every act of violence with a gun there is an act of self defense with a gun and 40% of those said they probably wouldn't have survived without it. So as usual we're in the same position we're always in. Republicans will not allow the left to disarm legal citizens and the left is trying daily to figure out a way to disarm legal citizens but some reason have major major problems with stop and frisk, which has taken tons of illegal guns away.

 

Think Salem Witch trials.

 

"So we can't have a moral society without inventing a magic man in the sky?"

I'm asking how? I do think that it's thoeretically possible, but I don't see a way that doesn't require a totalitarian state.

First, we would have to establish widely accepted rules of behaviors. Where would those come from? The totalitarian state?

People would either accept them because they make sense, or they would accept them because of the threat of force. I refer you to the Antifa-terrorists, who would force us to accept their sense of morality; under threat of violence.

 

Sorry I intended to say a society based on religion is far more dangerous than a secular society.

 

Well thank god you have it all figured out, where we would be with out your wisdom in a thread about a great hero taking down a f'ing loser trying to kill people in a place they peacefully worship.

 

Morals in our society come from culture, our parents, common law, and so forth. And of course the Constitution. With respect to the ANTIFA - the modern day left is a religion IMHO.

 

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I disagree.

CCCP? North Korea? China?

They're (were) as dangerous as any religious society.

Where would you rather live, if given only two choices?

North Korea or Saudi Arabia?

 

Yet one of the Founders said our system was intended for a moral and RELIGIOUS people, and was wholly inadequate for any other. We're beginning to see the truth of that. Take God out of the picture and all you have is personal preference.

 

Or the preference of whoever happens to be in charge, of the totalitarian state, at any one time.

 

The USA isn't nearly as safe and peaceful as it once was, but I'm not going outside the borders of the USA again for any reason.

 

Agreed, lets just use facts. South Africa has very tight gun laws yet have a murder rate 6X that of the US. Mexico has strict gun laws with a very high murder rate. Brazil has pretty much banned gun ownership and has a murder rate 5X that of the US. Switzerland has very lax gun laws and yet has a very low murder rate. What is your theory about what that difference exists? Why is the murder rate in the Southern half of the US higher than in the Northern half? Please do not use culture as part of your theory because, we don't care about your personal opinion when we have the facts as stated above.

 

You are statistically in far more danger from an atheistic nation, think the Gulag.

Back to the OP, the shooter was a convicted felon, and wasn't legally allowed to own any firearm.

 

I would like to discuss your first sentence but I don't want to get to far off topic so perhaps we can debate this some time in the religion section of PF.

 

I was going to mention South Africa. I think the overall murder rate (not just gun murder) in South Africa is 10 times our murder rate.

 

Look at the shooting at the Texas church. Democrats want to take away your guns. They well say that is not true when you confront them, but just listen to the democrat candidates for president talk.

Now at the Texas church, a good guy with a gun shot the killer dead IN SIX SECONDS saving who knows how many lives. If they would have had to wait for the police to respond to a 911 call how many lives would have been lost????

Now we have found out that the shooter was a FELON!!!!!! According to law HE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD A GUN!!!!! The law on the books said he should not have had a gun.

So all you gun grabbers learn this----------------no matter how many laws you pass FELONS DO NOT OBEY THE LAW!!!!! If you pass a law that says everyone must turn in your guns----------------------FELONS WILL NOT TURN IN THEIR GUNS. Then only felons will have guns!!!!

 

Feel free to direct quote me when I have ever said I believed in gun free zones? Shouldn’t take you long as you are definitely not a complete liar.

 

You realize that “the people” voted against conservative policies in not one but two of the most recent elections, yes?

 

Your comments indicate that you don't understand human nature and the power of religion when it comes to people committing crimes. The shooter was highly religious and so he felt that it was his duty to ensure that some believers got an express ticket to heaven. So he shot a couple of them, thereby sacrificing his life so that their souls will have eternal life.

So, looking at it from a biblical POV, don't you realize that they guy saw himself as doing a loving act instead of a hateful one? You can expect more such incidents on a regular basis. How about another one next week? How many souls would you like to get an express ticket to heaven?

That was his motive.

 

So, who else thinks we need to start doing random drug testing for posters here?

 

Depends what they were dying for. When being put to death by the government for their beliefs, yes many saw redemption in the next life, to die by the hands of a criminal madman, they would have no such joy. You act like you know how people of faith actually think, but your mockery gives you away. Lefties may be atheist, but they too have a religion, it's called Leftism and is no different than any other cult. Just as Muslims get offended and shriek and promise death to those who blasphemy the Koran, Lefties get just as offended and shriek and scream at the sky and promise to ruin the lives of those who blasphemy the Lefty narrative. Since they don't believe in a heaven, they try to create one on earth with their delusions of creating a utopia where there are no poor and everyone's needs are met for free.

 

Well presumably the guy would have disregarded such a ridiculous and unconstitutional law. Can it be considered unconstitutional in the context of say a shopping center? I'm thinking that shopping centers are designated as public places even though they are privately owned.

 

Depends on state and federal law. In PA private sales of handguns go through the same background check.

 

Technically, in some states, PA being one of them, if you are prescribed medical marijuana you lose your gun rights.