The boy who cried wolf

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    CBS News reports, "Baghdad — An estimated 6,000 angry Iraqi protesters gathered at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad on Tuesday, railing against deadly U.S. airstrikes this week that killed 25 fighters from an Iran-backed Shiite militia in Iraq. Shouting "Down, Down USA!," several dozen managed to get into what a senior U.S. official described to CBS News as a reception area just outside the compound after scaling a wall."

    First, some background is in order. In May 2018 Trump removed the U.S. from the Iranian nuclear agreement, or JCPOA, which permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear weapon. Trump replaced the agreement with harsh language, threats, and stringent economic sanctions.

    Trump's strategy has not worked. Gradually, Iran has been following the example Trump set, violating the JCPOA. Iran has mined and captured ships, destroyed the largest oil refinery in the world, even shooting down a very sophisticated American aircraft.

    In addition, Iran has gone beyond the limitations of the nuclear agreement by increasing its nuclear stockpile, enriching uranium at higher levels, and enlarging the number of centrifuges in use. Today, she is much close to making a nuclear weapon thanks to Trump's reckless decision.

    Leaving the JCPOA is a foreign policy disaster that threatens our national security and that of our allies. Of that, there is little doubt.

    Excluding harsh language and meaningless threats, Trump has done nothing. “The Iranians believe Trump has shown he doesn’t want to go to war,” said Vali Nasr, a former State Department official and a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. Mr. Nasr said that Iran’s leaders were “making the president realize there is risk and cost to his policy” of crippling sanctions on the country’s economy.

    And now this, a siege on the American embassy in Baghdad, an unwelcome holiday crisis for Trump.

    Trump's response, still another threat. "Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities," Trump said on Twitter late Tuesday.

    "They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat," wrote Trump, adding "Happy New Year!"

    Ho-hum, another threat from Trump. Going back to "Fire and fury" and "rocket man" Trump has issued countless threats against other countries and other country's leaders. He has even threatened Americans with higher tariffs and longer trade wars.

    He has threaten individual Americans. Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Mueller, Comey, Sessions, even the FBI and the Justice Department come to mind. Threats are what Trump does on every day ending in "Y."

    However, Trump has shown reluctance to actually do anything. As an example, he spoke by telephone with Iraq’s prime minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, imploring him to help protect Americans in the country.

    No one knows how all this will turn out, and there is a strong possibility of an escalation in the violence. Here's hoping our President finally grows a backbone.

    These sources aided in this report:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/31/us/politics/trump-iran-baghdad-embassy.html

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-ira...r-over-strikes-iran-militia-today-2019-12-31/
     
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    I like the numbers.
     
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    You realize, of course, that the attack on the embassy is small potatoes compared to what Iran has done and does do to promote terrorism. I am not as worried about Iran's attack on the embassy as I am about their day to day activities.
     
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    So weird to have one of our embassies attacked and then have the president tell us the truth about it and send immediate protection for our diplomatic staff.

    I’m used to being lied to about a video and Americans dying in a cover up that our media participates in.
     
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    John Krasinski to star in Trump era remake of Benghazi movie “13 Hours” It’s called “13 Minutes”.

    It chronicles the 13 minutes from when the Marines landed at our Baghdad embassy to when the Iranian backed militias ran like cowards.
     
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    What are you talking about? Do you know?

    Why do Trump's supporters have difficulty expressing themselves?
     
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    I agree with you. Yes, since Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and imposed harsh sanctions on Iran, there is a great deal of mischief she can cause. The JCPOA permanently barred Iran from a making a nuke. Now, as shown in the OP, she is much closer to making a nuke because of Trump's reckless decision.

    Also, in the face of Iran's activities, including the downing of a very sophisticated American aircraft, the U.S. has been impotent.
     
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    I would prefer that we greatly reduce our foreign intervention. If Iran decides to build a bomb, there is not a lot we can do about it. They have shown no great desire to cease and they have not reduced their terrorist activities.

    Do you think we should preemptively wipe out their bomb making capability? I am more in favor of that than getting into a prolonged conflict with them. It really comes down to one simple fact. If Iran attacks Israel or the US with nuclear weapons, they will likely be wiped off the face of this earth. We can only hope they are smart enough to realize that.
     
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    "Smart" has no meaning as it relates to these religious fanatics. They're going to see Allah and get 72 virgins...
     
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    Maybe Trump should have done what Obama did -- draw a line in the sand.
     
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    Please explain the relationship between the attack on our embassy yesterday and the attack in Benghazi seven years ago.

    Or did you just want to change the subject because you know Trump really screwed up with his incredibly stupid decision to pull us out of the JCPOA?

    You don't want to talk about that. You want to talk about an incident seven years. Incredible.

    Funny thing about Trump fans. They wish to avoid talking about Trump as much as they can.
     
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    I show you the big difference. One hundred Marines sent to our embassy and the Iranian protesters packed up and went home. Now compare that with Obama and Hillary.

    Hillary or Obama can't be charged with anything. But they still are guilty as hell for their deaths. They helped take Kaddafi out and just walked away,letting Libya fall into the hands of terrorist and ISIS. The country was a mess and no help was sent. Why didn't they pull them out like many of the other countries did? Hillary said she didn't get all the calls for help. They went to the African office instead. But they knew what kind of condition Libya was in, why didn't they call and see if they were ok or needed more security? Why didn't they pull them out?

    Obama: Aftermath of Gaddafi overthrow, 'worst mistake as ...
    www.africanews.com/2016/04/11/obama-aftermath-of...
    US President Barack Obama has said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi.

    Britain to pull embassy staff out of Libya
    News.yahoo.com/Britain-pull-embassy-staff-Libya...
    Aug 02, 2014 · Britain was one of the last western countries with an embassy open in Tripoli after two weeks of street fighting between Britain to pull embassy staff out of Libya Home

    Hillary and Obama lied on the video causing the attack. She told her daughter it was terrorism, not the video. Lied to the parents of the family of the four dead. They lied to the U.N.
     
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    Maybe it's time for America to destroy Iran..
     
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    Iran is not trustworthy and would not sick to their commitments.
    Any deal with Iran is a bad idea.

    Time to end them.
     
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    Any time you make a deal where your not allowed to inspect places where Iran could hide nuclear activities and allow them to inspect it themselves is a bad deal. If I remember right, isn't Iran allowed to continue to add nuclear devises after 10 years that could allow them to make nuclear weapons even if they kept to the agreement? Although if Israel's Iron dome anything like their rocket killer, it might not make a lot of difference anymore.

    https://neveryetmelted.com/2019/11/...RryK7RnUjcv7W9y29e2x2ftQt4d63qoapEkiL9vxmRtKY
     
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    Maybe we should just give them billions in cash, like Obama.
    (yes, I know...it was just "their money"...yadda yadda.
     
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    Trump's fans would dearly love to change the subject to an event that happened seven years ago. However, what is happening now in Iraq and caused by the Iranian government is a direct result of Trump's disastrous decision to withdraw from the JCPOA and impose harsh sanctions on Iran to make her comply with an agreement Trump just destroyed.

    Trump's fans don't want to talk about that. In fact, they try to avoid Trump as much as they can.
     
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    Obama returned Iran's money in accordance with a court decision.
     
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    After the Iranians committed multiple acts of war against the U.S. over the years as far as I'm concerned it was no longer their money.
     
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    Sure, I heard all about it. We had it forever yet our first Muslim president, decided to give them billions.
     
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    You forgot the red spray paint thing.....
     
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    So, who will hold hold responsible then when the Iranians unleash nuclear weapons on their enemies? The court, or Obama?
     
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    You will have ask Trump that. He opened Pandora's Box.

    In May 2018 Trump removed the U.S. from the Iranian nuclear agreement, or JCPOA, which permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear weapon. Trump replaced the agreement with harsh language, threats, and stringent economic sanctions.
     
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    The Washington Examiner reports, "Four rockets hit an Iraqi military base near Baghdad airport on Thursday evening, according to reports.

    "Tensions have escalated in the area over the past week after Iran-backed protesters surrounded the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, shouting, "Death to America," and setting fires to the building on New Year's Eve.

    "Urgent Iraqi security sources: The explosions were caused by the fall of 3 missiles in the back area of Baghdad Airport," tweeted Al Jazeera, according to a Google translation. The base where the rockets landed is a joint U.S./Iraqi counter-terror center.

    "The four rockets are believed to have targeted the military airport’s runway, an Iraqi counter terrorism center, a building used by the U.S. military, and a road outside the Baghdad airport.

    "The airspace above Baghdad International Airport appears to be closed and U.S. helicopters have been spotted flying in the area."

    The question is, what will Trump do now?

    In response to the siege on the American embassy in Baghdad, he stated, "Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost, or damage incurred, at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE! This is not a Warning, it is a Threat."

    This is what happens when you play with fire.
     
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    Before this gets out of hand, Trump, for the first time must say he made a mistake. He must restore the JCPOA the way it was before he destroyed it. Restoring the Iranian nuclear agreement will mean the return of the permanent ban on nuclear weapons. That, in turn, means the harsh economic sanctions are no longer necessary. They can be removed and everyone will be happy. That is all Iran wants.

    The only cost? It is necessary, in one form or another, for Trump to admit he made a mistake.
     

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