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Titanic was launched almost 109 years ago. Construction techniques for cruise ships, not to mention warships, have improved dramatically...

Wow.

This is so wrong it's silly.

First, the Costa Concordia didn't sink. It struck a rock, ran aground and then capsized onto its starboard side. It never sank, and the reason it capsized was not the hole in the side. We know that because the ship settled onto its starboard side, which suffered no damage from the rock strike, which occurred on the port side.

Second, the iceberg the Titanic hit didn't actually puncture the hull. It dented the hull such that the hull's seams buckled and separated, allowing water to seep in. Costa Concordia had a 160 foot hole ripped into the port hull. That's a bit more damage than what Titanic suffered.

Seriously, I can do this all day, pal. This topic could not be more in my wheelhouse...

 

The difference is damage control.

The military ships have big crews of people who are highly-trained, well-equipped, and very good at the business of saving a damaged ship.

Cruise ships have a bare-minimum number of crew assigned to damage control duties, and they have hundreds, even thousands, of clueless and panicked passengers that do nothing but get in the way.

 

As a matter of fact, we dont know what the damage looks like, since its burried in the mud and not visible.

Another fact is, that Costa Concordia like all today cruise ships has a 2 compartment standard. If she would have been in deeper water she would have sunken to the ground.

 

Germans are cool, but your military stinks.

Even you yourself said you'd like to see Germany get rid of its military entirely, right?

Who would respect that sort of military ally?

 

How can you save a ship that has its front 5 compartments flooded? I think at a certain damage level you can do nothing anymore.

But i guess the problem already starts when you let it slide against the object. Better is a frontal crash.

There was a german liner that smashed into an ice berg, but frontal and did not sink, since only one compartment was flooded.


Did you hear the most dumb design? Lusitania even had not just vertical compartments but also horizontal ones...they said that would contain the water at one side...and let Lusitania capsize within minutes.

 

Dude look...you said ****, i responded ****. Can we agree to that? Of course i want a strong military.

 

It's called "dewatering". Pumps(fixed and portable), hoses, eductors, ejectors, etc....

I went through weeks of intensive training on the old Treasure Island base in San Francisco, and also the base on Pearl Harbor Hawaii to learn the ins and outs of damage control. Firefighting, dewatering, desmoking, emergency power rigging, first aid, etc...

If you can pump the water out of a ship as fast, or faster, than it's coming in, you can save the ship.

You'd be amazed at how much water a crew of highly-trained sailors can pump out of a flooded compartment, and how fast they can make it happen.

 

the "heartland" knows better!

 

Oh, okay. I thought you were being serious.

 

Are we arguing about Titanic, or an American aircraft carrier hitting an iceberg?

LOL!

You can't compare Titanic to any modern ship. The way be build ships is vastly different than it was 100 years ago. Also, you have to take into consideration that the crew of Titanic was ridiculously poorly trained. Many crew members didn't even get to the ship until the morning it sailed from Southampton.

Conversely, crews of American warships train, literally, every single day. The crew of an American warship is one of the most cohesive groups of people you'll ever see...

 

You know they righted that ship and towed it to port, right?

The damage from the rock strike, though, was visible on the port side when the ship was laying on its starboard side. Any damage to the starboard side would've simply been the result of the ship turning onto its side...

You don't know that, despite your earlier assertion that Costa Concordia did, in fact, sink. It didn't sink, and it may not have. The world will never know...

 

So you say an experienced crew could have saved Titanic? Propably makes sense. Since she has a 4 compartment standard and 5 were damaged you would not need to save all compartments. If they would have been able to pump compartment 5 dry, she would have stayed afloat.

 

What do you mean by vertical and horizontal compartments? A compartment is simply a space within a ship. It's neither horizontal or vertical...

 

It really is amazing watching a US Navy damage control party in action. It's like a swarm of ants when the nest is under attack.

They drill it into you "SAVE THE SHIP!"

You're trained to ignore injured comrades. Just step over them and SAVE THE SHIP! If there is an incapacitated comrade in a compartment that's flooding fast, slam the hatch and dog it closed hard, because you gotta SAVE THE SHIP! One injured shipmate is one life, but the ship is everybody's lives.

 

Im talking about Titanic. Her damage is in the mud.

As for Concordia, i saw her wreck im the Genua harbor. They righted her up and pulled her to Genua. I did a cruise in 2014 on Costa Diadema and we saw her wreck in the harbor.

Concordia rolled to her side. Sea water washed in evrywhere, in deeper water she would have sunk

 

That's how the compartmentalization is on warships- a bunch of boxes you can seal. That's not the way it is only many passenger and cargo ships though. The compartmentalization is much less extensive.

 

I dont know in english.

Let me explain. Titanic and other ships have bulkheads going starboard and portside. You understand?

Lusitania had that plus bulkheads running from bow to stern.

So when water rushs in it did only flood one half of each compartment, which was a bad idea, since it destabilized Lusitania and let her capsize im 18 minutes.

 

Absolutely.

If a modern US Navy damage control party had been on the Titanic with all their modern dewatering gear, Titanic would've been shored up, pumped dry, and heading for NY within a few hours.

 

Dewatering. Pump out the water faster than it's coming in and you'll be fine...

The Lusitania was torpedoed by a German U-Boat. What actually sank her, though, was a second explosion within the skin of the ship...

 

Okay, now I understand what you're saying...

 

Absolutely...

 

How does it work in that situation? I mean crew knew 5 compartmemts are flooding. They knew Titanic can stay afloat with 4 flooded compartments, could even continue to drive with 3 flooded.

Titanics crew did nothing to fight the sinking. They said 5 are damaged, that means sinking, since we cant keep 5 compartments dry.

I think if they would have kept compartment nr. 5 dry, they could have saved her. So it means and experienced crew would have concentrated on that one compartment?

 

Did you ever go to the "wet trainer" in San Diego?

 

They did nothing to "fight the sinking" because they couldn't. They didn't know how. They were woefully trained...

 

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