The hate industry, Islam and Islamophobia

Israel has been at war with Gaza for two decades solid.

A few thousand untargetable rockets is hardly objectionable in the context of the war that exists.

And, it is Israel that has refused negotiations throughout that period.

If Israel wants to stop the war, they are going to have to do better than refusing to negotiate while actively waging war on Gaza.

 

Proposing that those Israel is making war on today are ""god haters" is just plain false.

Let's keep this straight. West bank is objecting to decades of ethnic cleansing by Israel.

And, Gaza is objecting to constant active war waged on them by Israel for at least the last 20 years.

Israel is the offender here. And, whether they are offending because they hate someone is irrelevant. Internaltional law and human ethical and moral standards don't allow for war on the basis of hate.

Israel doesn't get off so easily as for them to suggest hate is THEIR motive or the motive of anyone else.

 

See verse 2, chapter 15. The Amalekites attacked Israel, how was it not self defense? How many children did we kill at Hiroshima and Dresden? Do you support abortion?

It was justified, just as most of our wars were. Context is everything. God isn't a pacifist.

Please explain it to ISIS.

I reject your premise that it was murder, unless you want to call our efforts in WWII murder. It is as misleading to leave out Amalekite attacks on Israel as it is to discuss Hiroshima without mentioning Pearl Harbor.

Funny how those who say a woman should be able to do 'with her own body' as she sees fit don't think God has the same right to do with His creation as He sees fit.

No it ain't.

 

Once again, I reject your premise.

God never ordered people killed just for not believing in the God of Abraham, Muslim style. That is done daily in Muslim lands, a subject you dodge while bringing up a nation from thousands of years ago that doesn't exist in a pathetic thread hijack attempt. The commandments God gave to Israel did not even apply to surrounding contemporary pagan societies. God instead had concern for gentile nations, Jonah was sent to the gentile nation of Ninevah.

Never said that, lying doesn't help your cause.

What I reject is idiotic misrepresentations of Scripture.

Is the Koran evil?

 

If the US and Israel were in a shooting war with each other, would you support Israel or would you support the US?

 

Radical Islam KILLS other Muslims because they're not the right sect!

 

Try reading more. The Amalekites attacked Israel . . . generations ago. And for that, God wanted Amalek erased from the earth, not out of self defense, but out of revenge. You can't slaughter a child in the cradle and call it self defense. And, no, it isn't like Hiroshima. This wasn't collatoral damage. God didn't say "Well, if your attack happens to catch a kid in the crossfire . . . " No, he said "Murder these children."

Someone hasn't caught up on the story. God ordered the murder of children because he was upset about what the distant ancestors of Amalek did to the distant ancestors of Israel. Even going so far as to murder infants and livestock . . . can't wait to hear you tell us all how you have to kill babies and goats in self defense.

No one here is trying to excuse their murder. Meanwhile, we have you trying to excuse murder.

Then you reject reality. No surprise.

Aside from the whole fact that the Amalekites had attacked Israel CENTURIES before, not a few years before, and the fact that God SPECIFICALLY ORDERED THE TARGETED MURDER OF CHILDREN, not just as the collateral damage of an explosion.

#ISISLOGIC. They belong to God, so murder in his name is okay . . . try mulling that over before vomiting up such nonsense.

Not that you'll ever address this, but if your excuse is "Call it war and you can murder whoever you want, even infants" then you have no basis for criticizing ISIS, Mohammed, or literally anything about Islam, even at its most extremes. Let that sink in.

 

Do you mean your opinions in your OP, or all of the different opinions of everyone who has posted in the thread?

 

Israel.

https://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Isaiah_53_The_Suffering_Servant.html
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/isaiah-53-a-jewish-perspective

Chapter 53 is a continuation of the prophecy of chapter 52 and previous. There were no chapters in Hebrew, or in the Bible till centuries later. Isaiah was, and should be, read as one whole book. And as the rest of the book is acknowledged to be about Israel how can you say 53 is different.

 

More from the religion of peace, 257 bomb attacks in Sweden in 2019, including hand grenades and IEDs: http://timesofsweden.com/2020/02/03...-eSPijixMe6QD2OLmTdDlWnmRY_T_a9jLuMFyW6Iowg0Q

That is the equivalent of 8,300 bomb attacks in the US proportionately.

 

It is impossible for Is. 53 to be about Israel for two reasons:

1. The Suffering Servant is described as sinless, Israel was in a constant cycle of apostasy.
2. He is described as bearing Israel's sins. How could sinful Israel bear it's own sins?

Jews themselves at one point said Is. 53 was describing the Messiah:

https://jewsforjesus.org/publicatio...n06/whos-the-subject-of-isaiah-53-you-decide/

 

Here it is from a Jewish perspective:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Were-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm

When you're standing before God some day you can tell Him you think he was unfair, but I think you'll have other things on your mind. As the pro aborts would say, the Amalekites were inconvenient and needed to be done away with, that was God's 'choice'.

Do you think this command applies to Christians today?

Heck, I'm still trying to get you to address it, instead I get thread hijack attempts.

Pot, meet kettle.

A shallow idea can't sink in very far. It is simply more sophistry to equate them, which of the 9/11 victims ever attacked Islam? In Islam, you're guilty and worthy of death simply for being an 'infidel'. To equate them is as dumb as saying someone who pushes an old lady into the path of an oncoming bus is the same as someone who pushed an old lady out of the path of an oncoming bus, since both involve pushing.

Your dodge to my question of is the Koran evil is noted.

 

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Wave-of-terror-October-2015.aspx

Terror from Gaza
March 2018 – August 2019

• Eight killed
• 282 wounded
• 1,932 rockets/mortar bombs
• 841 petrol bombs
• 25 shootings
• 128 IEDs
• 2,155 fires ignited by arson kites/balloons (updated 2 July 2019)
• 8,747 acres of land – farmland, forests, nature reserves – burned

Nice, no wonder Israel fights these savages.

 

It depends on the circumstances, lots on the LW didn't support the US during Vietnam. I don't think the US could never do wrong, and my citizenship is in Heaven, I'm just passing through here.

 

I'll cover the rest of the murder apologetics later, but this sticks out, because you are so close to finally understanding the moral failings of your scriptures.

Which of the Amalekite infants and goats had ever attacked Israel?

 

After you answer which of the Hiroshima infants and animals ever attacked the US.

 

All you offer me are Rabbinic views/interpretations not what the Jewish scriptures actually say. I offered you an explanation of the Hebrew writing and language of the time. The 2 points you make are answered in the quotes I gave you. If you can't be bothered to read them, that's your problem, not mine. Isaiah is 1 complete book. There are no chapters.in the original. The book is all about ISRAEL. 4 suffering servant songs refer to Israel as the servant. .

If all die because of Adams sin there never has been a sinless person. Mary may have been impregnated by the Holy Spirit but she is human flesh and would have passed on part of hersef to Jesus. The whole idea is in the realms of Greek mythology. Jesus might well have sinned. We know little about his real life. You base everything on a few doubtful books written by unknown men decades after his death.

 

We disagree, and I showed you older Rabbinic views that said the Suffering Servant referred to the Messiah. The late Pastor D. James Kennedy once showed Is. 53 to a Jewish man and asked him who it referred to. He replied, "Jesus, of course", and was shocked to hear it was from his own Scripture.

If the Holy Spirit could impregnate Mary He could have easily made Jesus to not inherit a sin nature. Whatever you believe on that, He never sinned. God became man in the person of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for our sins. As our sins are an offense against God, only God can forgive them. Jesus did so, in the same pattern as OT sacrifices, and as foretold in Is. 53 and other places.

We can be fairly certain on who wrote the Gospels, and even if we didn't know it wouldn't invalidate the facts presented. A few decades is a very short timespan by ancient standards.

 

This is one of the down sides of having government and religion welded together. People follow the Ayatollah, who has both religious and political objectives, including staying in power.

One of the major advances in the west was to separate religion from government.

Also, let's remember that the local residents of Syria, Iraq, and others are the ones who are fighting terrorism.

The fact that both sides espouse Islam is not the major issue here. ISIS is not a legitimate representation of Islam and Muslims know that just as much as we do.

 

Rabbinic views are simply views of individuals. Have you read Rabbinic views in tne Talmuds and other Jewish books of the time. Some are horrific in terms of attitudes to sex with children. Marriage to children at the age of 3 by priests. And many other 'horrific 'interpretations. Stick to what the Bible says.

he late Pastor D. James Kennedy once showed Is. 53 to a Jewish man and asked him who it referred to. He replied, "Jesus, of course", and was shocked to hear it was from his own Scripture.

Irrelevant. Many Jews don't even know their own scriptures. 50% have given up their religion altogether - Jewish figures.

If t he Holy Spirit could impregnate Mary He could have easily made Jesus to not inherit a sin nature. Whatever you believe on that, He never sinned. God became man in the person of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for our sins. As our sins are an offense against God, only God can forgive them. Jesus did so, in the same pattern as OT sacrifices, and as foretold in Is. 53 and other places.

The pattern in the OT is that a man is responsible for his own sins. They can only be forgiven by God. The goat sent to the wilderness covered their sins. The fear was that the goat could return with their sins. It was often thrown over a cliff to make sure it could not. The rest is Christian supposition.

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At least when one of the religions is Islam. I don't see problems like this in the UK, where they have a state church.

That's because Islamofascism is as much an expansionary political movement as it is a religion. In Islam, the religion IS the state.

And often simply because they are different tribes, it isn't that they're fighting to make Syria and Iraq into ME versions of Peoria.

Including ISIS Muslims? There is very little if anything ISIS does that Muhammad didn't do.

This explains the militancy of Islam, Gen. 16:12 on Ishmael, claimed to be the ancestor of Muslims/Arabs:

"He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

 

The whole story is simply that - a story.

As a matter of interest there is no evidence of any tribe called Amalek outside of the Bible.
The whole story is simply that - a story.

Nice. These people, they are not savages but human beings, have their land taken away from them by force by the League of Nations/United Nations. Now the Jews are increasing that area. Would you not fight back. .

 

Oh, good LORD!

Israel has been waging war on Gaza for more than 2 decades.

You want to list 8 killed over 20 years and claim that makes THEM savages without mentioning the number killed by Israel???

Are you aware of the THOUSANDS Israel has killed since 2000??

Your arguments are pure sophistry. You should be embarrassed.

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths

 

You appear to have NO idea what's going on with UK government - or is this more sophistry?

There are fascist governments in other places, too.

And, let's remember that the front line forces fighting against that fascism and those fighting for OUR objectives are Muslim.

There are serious issues of government involved here and having us confusing these issues is NOT GOOD for us, as it leaves us without an understanding of what options and directions we have in that region. That is, ignorance is NEVER an asset.

We aren't going to win by pretnding to fight Muhammad, past popes, Israelites or anyone else of anciet times who commited various heinous crimes - which they all did.

Rooting your hatred in the bible only makes problems LESS resolvable. You need to change or you will constantly be on the side of denying the very possibility of a way forward. THAT is the nature of hate.

 

Bunk, the claim was made that without separation of church and state things are terrible. The UK has a state church, does it not?

Which has what to do with the OP?

Does that count the Afghan army 'allies' that shoot our troops?

I'm against the daily crimes of Islam against 'infidels', the Pope and the OT theocracy of Israel aren't doing any.

I know it's a common tactic of the LW, but name calling doesn't help your cause. You seem totally unconcerned with Muslim hate.

Tell it to ISIS. Islam has been at war with 'infidels' since Muhammad, save for a recent several century peaceful interlude due to superior Western technology. They set off almost 300 bombs in Sweden last year, including hand grenades and IEDs. I don't think Sweden had such problems prior to Muslim immigration, do you?