The Cost of a Border Wall vs. the Cost of Illegal Immigration

That's ridiculous. You claim illegal aliens increase gdp by 3% ??? So if all the illegal aliens in the country were removed tomorrow gdp would go down by 3% ???

Where are the costs of illegal aliens in your reference ???

Hudson, Jerome. 50 Things They Don't Want You to Know (pp. 181-184). Broadside e-books. Kindle Edition.

Hudson, Jerome. 50 Things They Don't Want You to Know (pp. 305-306). Broadside e-books. Kindle Edition.

 

We also have a thing called "Remittances"- where immigrants send money made here to relatives in Mexico, often to finance more illegal entries.
This is the number one source of revenue flowing into Mexico from international sources. Greater than their oil sales, greater than their tourism.
TWENTY-FIVE BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY. That's money leaving the USA that's not coming back.
There also remittances to others central American nations as well; the number here is Mexico alone.

 

I don't "claim" anything! I showed you a study.

You make claims with absolutely no source, no link, no verifiable reference, no evidence.... I present arguments and show you the reference. And now you want me to read the reference to you?

You stated the costs. No references, of course, but they're your numbers. I have no interest in verifying them because the difference is so great that the "cost" makes no difference whatsoever to my point.

Oh... How wonderful! A letter....

Worse yet. A letter to an unrelated topic. So again you want to change the subject.

By changing the subject you acknowledge that illegal aliens produce more for our economy than their cost. Now you want to argue the age old myth that immigrants take jobs away (also know as "dey tuk 'r jarbs!" syndrome). There are many studies that debunk this. But, of course, it's a great Trump talking point at rallies. Where facts and studies have no place.

Studies (not letters) show that illegal immigrants actually boost the number and wages of low-skilled jobs (data identifies undocumented aliens)

https://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/IMMIGRANTS-AND-JOBS.NFAP-Policy-Brief.May-2018-1.pdf

And that they compete from different skill jobs than local workers

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/immigrant-and-native-workers-compete-different-low-skilled-jobs

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Anyway... I could go on. But of what use is it? You will prefer a letter that confirms what Trump tells you over hard data and facts that rebut it.

So...

 

Good thing criminals dont know how to kick down a door or break a window.. lest you still lock your doors at night.

 

That's money out of the US economy.

 

You actually believe that illegal aliens result in greater employment for poorly educated US citizens with minimal work experience ?? Wake up.

My reference is a book. And here is the letter which has 35 footnotes (some of which reference the same sources).

http://www.newamericancivilrightspr...-President-Trump-re-Immigration-9.19.2017.pdf

 

You're still in embarrassed denial.

The thre major issues chosen by Obama were economic recovery from the Republican crash, healthcare, and immigration.

Each of those was solved through bipartisan committees in congress, even when Democrats were in the majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate.

There is NO bipartisanship shown by Republican leadership since then.

None.

 

I am embarrassed- that so many Americans have so little character and integrity they can act as many democrats, liberals and progressives do today.

Obama didn't do **** in terms of recovery. he gave it lip service and sat back waiting for it to happen on it's own- which is why is was slow as hell.
He made healthcare worse. He participated in the scam to frame Obama. We don't have all the details, but we have enough information to know he was in on it.
Now I voted for Obama the first time. My mistake, the man was and is a fraud. At the core- he was laying a foundation for the socialist movement we see right now.
That is selling out the nation, not leading it.

 

The southern border wall (which is a metaphor) is not yet finished.

 

The Obama recovery was the slowest in US history thanks to Obamanomics. ObamaCare was an expansion of Medicaid which is a terrible way to provide healthcare. Obama did nothing on immigration reform.

BTW there was not a Republican recession. There was a housing bubble followed by a financial crisis which resulted from the unintended consequences of banking regulations.

 

More ad hom.

Absolutely false.

??? Obama framed Obama?

Ensuring that Americans have access to healthcare is a very serious endeavor.

Suggesting that is "selling out the nation" is abject nonsense.

The post ACA Republican direction has benen dedicated to the destruction of the ACA without providing ANY replacement - and again without any attempt at finding bipartisan answers.

That is just inconeivably irresponsible.

Beyond that, this started because of your comment on bipartisanship. Thanks for recognizing that was a false claim.

 

Actually, Republicans prevented Obama from doing most of what he wanted to do in the recovery.

Republicans demanded tax cuts for the wealthy. Their argument was that would inspire investmnt.

But, the fact of the matter was that there was no demand, because people were out of work. There was PLENTY of money available for investment. It's just that investing in production didn't make sense without demand.

Obama wanted to cut payroll tax and otherwise spur the demand that was the real limiting factor in investment.

But, that direction provided more moeny to workers - not to the wealthy. So, Republicans killed that.

 

People were out of work because Obamanomics killed business investment. It took ~ 6 years for the people who lost jobs in the recession to return to work. The combination of ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, so-called clean air bill, hyper regulation, and raising the tax rate on pass through small businesses were responsible.

 

Trump has replaced the moronic coverage mandates of ObamaCare with affordable alternatives. He has also eliminated the equally moronic individual mandate.

 

Congratulations on proving most of my points....

 

One more time... who cares what I "believe"? I'm showing you what studies have concluded. You show no studies... that means your "belief" to the contrary is based on faith. I have no interest in discussing your religious belief..

Then it's unverifiable and, therefore useless in this discussion.

Thanks for playing.

BTW, if you want to make a point. Make a point. Don't just throw in quotes and pretend that the other person "fishes" your point out. That will not work. It's contrary to forum rules, to honest debating and to common sense.

 

There are studies showing 2+2=5.

The fact that someone actually believes that illegal immigration benefits low income US citizens is laughable.

 

And there are those who don't even need a study to claim that 2+2=5 All they need is a "prophet" who just.... tells them so.

 

And there are those who believe that illegal immigration helps low income US citizens. The preceding is ridiculous and tantamount to believing that 2+2=5.

 

It will never be finished! People climb over the wall every day! It's at most a deterrent. It's primarily political.

How about this solution; create a military base one mile wide and 1900 miles long between Mexico and the US. To help pay for this close 100's of unnecessary military sites around the world...

 

I thought that Mexico was going to pay for the wall; at least that's what trump said to the American people when he was running for President in 2016. Why doesn't Trump demand payment from them???

 

Where are they climbing over the new wall with fully operational sensors ??

 

They are. USMCA. Trump said they would pay one way or another.

 

There is no question that the current system leaves out millions of US citizens.

For others, it's far too large a portion of income, leaving people struggling and making choices between sickness and hunger.