What will right-wingers with no health insurance do now?

Yes!

But all real insurance is Obamacare. At least here in Florida. You can't call something "insurance" unless it meets regulations. They are required to annotate it with "this is not insurance". So you're asking if I have insurance?

If you're asking me if I have ever had insurance from the Healthcare exchange, the answer is yes.

 

I have not called you a liar... yet...

I am waiting for you to show a quote where I call you a liar or see you retract. If you do one of those, you're in the clear. If you do neither... I won't have to call you a liar. And we will both know why.

 

I'm sure they can afford it. I'm wondering if, given the opportunity to free-load that the government gives them, they will actually put their money where their supposed hate of free-loaders is.

 

That is a really bad logic. Whether we believe something is right or wrong, we pay our part just like everyone else. Since we are required to pay, it would be foolish not to collect just like everyone else.

The issue isn't whether we should benefit from a government handout. The issue is whether the government should be giving the handouts to start with.

 

I posted a pull quote from your link. I posted a quote of yours where you made a false claim and later denied it. I posted statistics on the mathematical impossibility of universal testing.

I posted specific epidemics that proved your assertion of this being the most widespread epidemic to be wrong.

I’ve shown every statement you’ve made here is false. I explained how your quotation of Fauci was a misrepresentation of facts.

You are the one who claims not to have made a statement that I quoted you as making. You have no credibility. Sorry, everything I’ve stated is factual and everything you’ve stated is incorrect based on common knowledge and even links you provided. I accept your concession.

 

Sure. There are several ways. You can type [ QUOTE ] (without the space) at the beginning of the part you want to quote, and [ /QUOTE ] (also removing the spaces) at the end.

Every opening [ QUOTE ] must have a corresponding closing [ /QUOTE ]. Oh, and before manipulating anything don't forget to close (with [ /QUOTE ] ) the first quote that is added automatically and looks something like [ /QUOTE="Golem"... ] There are other tools to do this, but it's better to understand the above before trying to use them. You will probably need to practice at the beginning. At the bottom, using the "More Options" button there is an option called "Preview". This will show you how your post will look before posting it.


That said:

You keep omitting to mention where.

It is. As of this year.

The claim that anybody said it would reduce them from the offset is a false right wing talking point.

Obamacare was not "supposed" to do anything that was not determined by the CBO that it would do before it was passed by the Senate. In some aspects it fell a bit short, in others it exceeded expectations. Premiums are an example of the latter.

As for some numbers you claim, can't and won't comment unless you show references.

I already said that deductibles is one of the areas that Obamacare did not fix because it was not designed to fix them. Read my post where I explain that Obamacare is a band-aid to help us get through a period when the Healthcare system was about to implode. The only real fix to all our healthcare woes is universal healthcare. And I would hold that it would probably need to be a single-payer system. But, whatever it is, it will be one without insurance corporations profits standing between you and your doctor.

I have owned my own business for the last 10 years, and my healthcare comes from healthcare.gov. This year, if I remember correctly, we had a choice of three insurance companies. Which makes no difference because each one offers twenty or more different options. All of them mediocre. But a thousand times better than before Obamacare when my Insurance company decided that my wife and unborn son, didn't meet their standards to grant them the right to live, and the hospital should kick my pregnant wife out right away. It required the intervention of her very aggressive OBGYN to scream bloody hell on the phone to them thus saving their life. Something that would not have been necessary under Obamacare.

I may be wrong, but it looks to me like you never experienced the pre-obamacare world.

We have a poster on this forum who never sign (you might look up his posts) who never signed up for obamacare because they didn't know (until now that I explained it to them) how it worked. Looks like they believed the right-wingnut Fox echo-chamber lies about it. I have known so many people like him. Many of them my clients (I own an I.T. consulting business). It's the main reason why I have so thoroughly researched Obamacare. It's amazing that even after more than 10 years after obamacare became law, there are people who still believe the lies that Fox told them a decade ago. And they are so surprised to only years later learn how they were lied to

Obamacare is not the panacea. But everybody who can't afford the premiums receives a subsidy. And everybody who does not receive the subsidy can afford the premiums. Simple as that.... And if anybody tells you otherwise you can be sure they either don't know what they're talking about.... or they're full of it!

If there is some state in the union that is an exception, I have yet to see it. Maybe there is. But I have had many discussions about this on this and other forums. And to this date, I haven't seen it.

 

I said you said I was lying. I guess you cant see the difference. Go ahead and deny you said I was lying, about my Obamacare quote. If you do I wont have to call you a liar And we will both know why.

And I'm still waiting for you to prove your claim about "free" O care in Florida...bet I will be waiting awhile.

 

I removed the rest of your post because I was only addressing the above and wanted to see if I understand it. I know you were not talking to me but thanks for the walk thru, I never understood how to do that. Even used the more options, preview.
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Evidently, something went wrong. I did just what you said.

 

Yea me too.

I actually had an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepted my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverage's with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I needed services like X-Ray, MRI and such I had to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I didn't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covered a number of facilities in my area so if I needed services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I had to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I didn't want to pay 70% of the bill. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I needed an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70%.

I couldn't cancel my Obama Crap policy fast enough. Obama Care apparently has no provisions for canceling mid-year. The subsidies stopped and so did the coverage. It's all good....right? Wrong! When I did my taxes my subsidies were calculated in accordance with my gross wages for the YEAR. Since I went from 28 to 40 hours my income rose substantially. I got hammered on my taxes, even though the policy was gone and so were the subsidies half way through the year.

Thanks Obama and the Democrats.....​

PLEASE STOP HELPING ME!​

*previously posted in 2015.

 

The same thing the best always do—the reasonable, the rational, the honest—to give our best to be our best to reach our best. What do you plan on doing after bankrupting the economy? Find greener pastures to loot? Good luck with that.

 

You want me to "admit Obamacare is bad middle-income Americans" based on your anecdotal stories? Sorry, can't do that.
Yes I have insurance through an employer. But again, I am not going to admit what you want me to admit based on your anecdotal stories.

 

Obamacare is fantastic for anyone who wants others to pay for their health care; it’s horrendous for anyone who wants to provide for their own health care, be it insurance, co-op, fraternity, fellowship, or pay as you go.

 

How so?

 

Simple to answer this question ... they will die if being a member of the critical groups etc.!

They always insulted the whole thing with Obamacare and all the other approaches as a communist and socialist deed ... although most of them don't even know the difference between communism and socialism. And bte ... Sanders is outside the US no where else called seriously a socialist ... this tells books about intelligence in the head and right wingers!

So these people will justifiably be kick by their own old battle cry into the butt: Better dead than red!

 

Since the only people in danger from CV are elderly, they'd have access to Medicaid, which means that every American who is in danger does have health insurance.

 

Except that the elderly aren't the only people who can have a serious chronic medical condition, which puts one at risk if infected by corona virus

 

I guess that's true. Still, it's such a **** tier thing to be taking the side of people gloating because "imaginary people I don't like might die of a disease after not doing what I want."

 

I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding "gloating"

 

Paying your fellow citizens’ bills make it impossible to pay yours. Why is my neighbor’s broken leg an entitlement to the steak in my refrigerator?

 

How's that different than before Obamacare? We all have been paying for those with no insurance one way or another well before Obamacare.

 

Re the full price v discount price, that is not what I said. I said the "cash price" is often less than the insurance's discounted price. For example, I had physical therapy in 2017, and the "full" (i.e., ridiculous price that nobody ever pays) was $340 for a 45-minute session (and I needed to go for two months). I was told that thanks to my Obamacare-approved insurance plan, I "only" had to pay $130 a session. The woman at the counter next to me told the receptionist that she didn't have insurance, and she was told that then she could pay the "cash" price of $99. When I heard (OK, overheard) that, I said that I wanted to pay the cash price too. I was then told - get this - that NO, according to the agreement with the insurance company I MUST pay the insurance discounted price, even though it was higher than the cash price. THAT is how crazy a system Obama allowed - a system in which people who do the responsible thing and buy overpriced insurance are then penalized at the Point-of-Service by having to pay more than if they didn't have insurance at all.

But....Trump did fix that. Now I am not required to use my insurance. I can ask what the cash price is and then choose what to do. This change was most obvious in presciptions; before, there was a "gag" clause that Obama permitted that forbid pharmacists to tell customers of cheaper options. Trump made the gag clause illegal in the fall of 2018, and I was steered to a cheaper option. But this might help answer your question in the OP as to why people have opted out. They have to pay a fortune, even if they are earning only a moderate amount, and then at times find they would have paid a lower fee if they weren't insured at all.

Until you've experienced it first-hand, you really can't appreciate just how messed up things have been under Obamacare.

 

OK, you have no experience with Obamacare. That said, I cannot believe you have not heard the horror stories being reported by tons of people for many years now as a result of Obamacare (unless you limit yourself to a far-left media source that won't divulge it). We have people earning in the $50K range and being asked (required during Obama's reign) to pay as much as $1000 a month for insurance plans that are so high-deductible that they are basically worthless.

This is what Obamacare did: force moderate earners to pay a fortune for what are effectively catastrophic plans while people slightly lower on the scale get highly subsidized plans. All he did was shift the burden of payment onto the middle class and did nothing to address the sky-high costs of medical care itself.

 

You can always go without insurance and pay as you go

 

Agree - and the irony is that under Obamacare, middle-income people who cannot afford the appropriate care for themselves now have to pay for lower-income people to get the care they need for free or nearly-free.