Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Hope it works but the skeptic in me says follow the money trail. I've read that this "cheap" drug is now selling at $177. I remember too well the hype of tamiflu for swine flu, and the later discovery of the money trail that lead to Donald Rumsfeld. Tamiflu was purchased by governments all around the world during and after the hype and never used
     
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    You will enjoy this write up from 538.com titled "Why It's So Freaking Hard to Make a Good COVID-19 Model."

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-so-freaking-hard-to-make-a-good-covid-19-model/
     
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    Reports about Iran are so politicized that I won't offer my commentary, but I will say this: I don't think producing these kits is all that difficult.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google
    Iran Offers Its Neighbors Underutilized Coronavirus Testing Kits
     
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    Or. The wisdom of having a President that is unwilling to assume responsibility. :)
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am so very sorry to read this. You have my condolences.
     
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    IMO :
    All the models I've seen end before the second wave which will occur during next winter. Surely the more people becoming immune now is better than what the situation will be next winter when people with other illnesses will become just as urgent? The only benefit I see of flattening the curve is if there is a successful treatment ready before the next wave otherwise we are going to be hit much harder than if we took a herd immunity approach IMO
     
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    Sorry to read this. I fear that this sort of news will apply to all of us soon.
     
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    One of the places whose number of deaths, in relation to reported cases, is very high is the UK. This is all the more surprising since they are one of the countries which has been experiencing a surge in cases comparatively at a later date, with most of their cases unresolved. Yet, their total deaths is pretty high already. Maybe @alexa can throw some light on this as their situation is basically at the polar opposite of Germany's.

    Summary of the numbers for the UK
    Total Cases: 29,474
    Total Active Cases: 26,987
    Total Deaths: 2,352
    Total Recovered: 135
     
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    From your link:

    “We have millions of units ordered, and we’re going to see what happens," said President Donald Trump.
     
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    I'm more than willing to admit that that is beyond my pay grade, but it would seem to me that if the virus mutates into something far more virulent the 2nd time around, then perhaps the question would be whether the anti-bodies in the people who healed from wave I would be sufficient to ride out wave II without getting re-infected.
     
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    If all of the companies in the world who work in this millieu were to cooperate, we could have 100s of millions of these tests churning out per week. I would venture to say that it's a matter of will.
     
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    One of the reasons is that the Total Recovered" number is not being updated. I can make this statement from personal experience - my gf mentioned to me that some of her patients have recovered and gone home yet the stated recovery number did not change. On a more worrying case, one patient was on a ventilator, recovered and sent to a normal ward but died there . Because she did not die in a coronavirus ward, she was not included in the coronavirus death column
     
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    Thanks. But regardless of the recovery rate and the total recovered numbers, the ratio of 'total deaths' to reported cases for the UK seems rather high. Basically, in a very short time, the UK has seen its 'total deaths' rise to more than 2,300 people, which seems an awful large number of people for a country that wasn't getting much attention (compared to say Italy or now Spain).
     
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    We are hardly testing anyone. The only people tested are already in a hospital hence they are already on the serious or critical stage with only a few negatives hence why are total cases and active cases are so similar
     
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    Yeah.
    Trump can't spell "plan."
     
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    Colorado

    https://covid19.colorado.gov/case-data

    Because of the outbreak in the Navajo Reservation, the Navajo President took some serious steps, probably the most restrictive in the US a nearly complete lock down and a curfew from 8pm to 6 am.

    The outbreak can be followed back to a large church gathering in Chilchinbito, near Kayenta, in early March.
     
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    My oldest employee had flue type symptoms 2 weeks ago and she was immediately tested. Her test and or test data were lost. She is naturally in self isolation. She is 82 years old.
     
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    I think this line of thinking is entirely incorrect on the whole. Once the dust settles a bit, I believe we will see that one of the true threats of mortality from this virus is not necessarily the virus itself, but the strain on the medical infrastructure and their inability to provide the necessary levels of care to covid patients and to their other patients.

    If we increase the number of people who get the virus under some theory that it will lessen the wave the second time around, then we are putting the current healthcare infrastructure under an increased strain explicitly at a time when they are not prepared to handle the strain.

    When the second wave rolls around, the medical infrastructure should be - in theory at least - much more robust and capable of handling that spike.
     
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    Which healthcare systems are not able to give care ??
     
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    And the time to the peak moves out?
     
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    My apologies to those on this thread.
    It seems I have trouble ignoring the trolls.
    I'll try, for the first time, the ignore feature.
     
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    The big question still is : how many cases are still flying under the horizon, because the symptoms are so mild.
     
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    Trump's been doing a fantastic job, even the Dem Gov's of CA and NY have said that he has been a great resource. Both the Dem Gov's have also risen to the challenge, like Trump, communicating daily and in a very effective manner. Except for Cuomo lying about the ventilators, I give him high marks. CA has done a better job with the Shelter-In-Place, not only have COVID hospital admissions dropped below expectations, but so have flu admissions. If your separation procedures are effective against COVID they should also reduce flu transmission and they appear to be doing so.

    The Cuomo brothers interview was some of the best brother rivalry comedy since the Smothers Brothers. I wish Chris the best and hope his mom stays healthy.
     
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    From the Iceland study:

    Some of the revelations have been stark. Although fewer than 1% of the tests came back positive for the virus, the company's founder Dr. Kári Stefánsson told CNN that around 50% of those who tested positive said they were asymptomatic, confirming multiple studies that show that asymptomatic, or mildly symptomatic, people have played an important role in spreading the virus.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html
     
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    Running an average of 100,000 test per day is certainly an improvement from where we were before.
     
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