The NRA is suing Gov. Cuomo after New York closed gun shops as non-essential businesses

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  1. bx4

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    Kindly point me to the language in the Bill of Rights that refers to self defence either as a God given right or otherwise.

    Hint: you might learn a little civics today.
     
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    Since he's been the "leader" the entire time, that's about the dumbest claim yet...

    Yes, seems Florida had a good result day yesterday....

    https://fdoh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/8d0de33f260d444c852a615dc7837c86

    Although so did NY

    https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus-ny/

    I cannot find on these sites exactly how many TESTS were performed yesterday, which is the only way to show cases are dropping... raw numbers of cases shows very little...
     
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    I started to add that "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away." which means essentially the same thing.

    I can think of 3 instances in which having a firearm nearby saved me from individuals whose intentions were not to make me any healthier or wealthier and the police were nowhere to be seen.

    Cuomo is simply exploiting this tragic situation with the corona virus to do what has wanted to do throughout his political career.
     
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    False, he reacted quickly, deployed resources as needed, blockaded the state at the border to discourage people from areas like NY from coming here and kept the citizens informed and educated as what to do to minimize the spread of the disease, and it's paying off quickly.

    And we will continue to.

    That's because you are looking in the wrong place.
     
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    For the simple fact that the nonsense was presented on the part of yourself, claiming that Donald Trump has been bought and paid for. Therefore the burden of proof is on the part of yourself to demonstrate which politicians have not been bought and paid for.
     
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    The Florida DOH CoronaVirus website is the wrong place for Florida CoronaVirus information??

    Good to know... I won't waste my time on this useless appendage to the United States any further...
     
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    Just as there is no mention of any right to privacy, or a right to have an abortion, or even a right to homosexual marriage. And yet several makeups of the united state supreme court has found each and every one of them to be present.

    Provide some examples of such. Do not bother with the tired and misunderstood "yelling fire in a crowded theater" example, as such pertains to deliberately putting others at the risk of harm through inciting panic, rather than the exercising of legal speech.
     
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    I was talking about the language of the constitution. It doesn’t mention self defence.

    You want an example showing that constitutional rights are not absolute? OK see if you are allowed to own a nuclear weapon. See if a convicted felon can legally buy a weapon. Can you buy a fully automatic machine gun legally throughout the union?
    Not absolute.

    Even your example IS a restriction on free speech. You use the phrase “legal speech”, but if the right to free speech were absolute, all speech would be legal. Even speech that deliberately put others at harm.
     
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    Sorry it's the only place for COVID-19 information in the State of Florida, the FDOH is where the CDC gets their Florida information from.

    Do you think anyone cares?
     
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    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
     
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    About Florida? No, not really.... Maybe once every 4 years, it comes up....
     
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    21 million people dont count 35% of which are minorities.. You Progressives are letting your true colors come out.
     
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    Nor does it mention a great many other things that have come to be recognized as being constitutional rights. Why should self defense be any different?

    Are nuclear weapons firearms?

    If the court accepts their petition to restore their constitutional rights that were terminated through due process, in accordance with the fifth amendment right to due process.

    Fully automatic firearms are indeed still legal to own in the united states.

    In the opinion of yourself.

    Constitutional rights do not protect committing harm to others.
     
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    Nuclear weapons are “arms”. 2A is not limited to “firearms”. If it were absolute, it would be legal to own a nuclear weapon.

    You recognise that the rights of felons to own arms can be removed. Therefore not absolute.

    I asked about purchasing fully automatic weapons, not ownership. Can you buy fully automatic weapons in every state? No? Not absolute.
     
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    Seriously, is English your native language ?
     
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    You mean AntiAmerican Communist Leftist Union.
     
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    Guns, alcohol and cigarettes are harder to track when sold on line. IDs become useless when they can be borrowed or stolen and not accompanied by a signed document and other evidence of identification for firearms. I certainly don’t put firearms on the same level as cigarettes. A deranged cigarette buyer is not going to kill many people illegally.....with cigarettes.
     
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    Tell it to those who have developed cancer after being exposed to second-hand smoke.
     
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    Ultimately what is the point being made on the part of yourself? That because the second amendment does not allow for ownership of nuclear weapons, that fact means its protections are not absolute, and by extension that lack of absoluteness means a great many conventional can be restricted and/or prohibited from legal ownership?
     
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    I was responding to someone who claimed the right was absolute. It is not.
     
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    Even if the scope of the second amendment is not of an unlimited nature, the question of "so what?" must be asked. What ultimate, meaningful difference, does such actually make? Is such regarded as grounds for restricting the legal ownership of modern firearms that have been available to the public for decades and have entered into common use by virtue of their ownership?

    If there is an actual, legitimate pointed to be made on the part of yourself, then actually get to it.
     
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    Yeah, the point is that someone defended his position by claiming that the right is absolute. It isn’t.
     
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    What was the supposed claim that was made?
     
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    Good to know that you wish harm on others. NRA members don't seem to be harming others.

    So buying plants at Home Depot is essential, but but anti-gunners realizing they were wrong and decided to exercise the rights they once opposed is "Fanatical"?

    If you weren't prepared with enough toilet paper, why is it not shameful to put the lives of grocery workers at risk? TP is less essential than lawyers even though they both involve a bunch of aholes. :p

    You are incorrect. Here in Los Angeles, the second amendment has eroded beyond recognition.
     
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    I guess rich people who hire out all all their home repairs think of Home Depot as just a place to get plants to line their shooting ranges in their back yard. The rest of us actually think rightfully, hardware stores are necessities. You want ammo, order it on line. I do.
    You want to buy a gun ? Do what the felons do, buy on private sales. There has to be a good cottage industry supported by the nra where felons get all their guns. Of course, they’re less likely to wear a mask.....but don’t worry, just toss the money over to the seller. Should be no disease transfer. Heck, you don’t even have to know each other’s name.
     
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