The NRA is suing Gov. Cuomo after New York closed gun shops as non-essential businesses

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a plan.
     
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    No they do not, they lost their right to possess a gun once convicted as a felon.
     
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    Yea right, based on falsehoods of your posts, you have never been involved in law enforcement.
     
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    then it's not essential in your mind that people be able to protect their homes and families with a gun

    no, rights are rights, your treating them like privileges..

    once a person has done their time, the punishment is supposed to end, want to punish them longer, have longer sentences, don't violate the constitution

    now if owning a gun was a privilege like driving a car... you would have a point
     
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    The united states constitution itself states that certain individuals can be deprived of their liberty through due process of law. Such as a criminal trial for certain offenses committed against others.
     
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    Yes it is quite essentia for people to protect their homes and family, however felons, by their actions have forfeited the right to own firearms to provide such protections, other protections are still available to them, just not firearms.

    Sorry it doesn't work that way, get over such.
     
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    yes, that occurs during sentencing, once they complete their sentence, all rights are to be restored - otherwise congress could pass laws to deny any constitutional right for any reason - thus turning our rights into privileges as you seem to prefer

    want the punishment to last longer, have longer sentences... simple.. no need to violate the constitution

    what if they did the same for religion or free speech?
     
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    I’m glad so many on the left are coming around to my solution to stop mass/school shootings. It’s very effective to use infringement on the First Amendment to stop such shootings. Obviously nobody really needs the freedoms outlined in the First Amendment. In fact, look at all the benefits to infringement of them!
     
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    Sorry, it doesn't work that way, if a felon wants some of their rights restored, that person must petition the courts to restore those rights and provide a good reason for doing so.

    Choose to be a criminal and not live within societies norm, one can kiss some of their rights good bye, that's the penalty for being dumb, lacking morals and being a non-human animal.
     
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    never said it did, it should, rights are not privileges, only people that do not support the 2nd amendment support this, how many would support this for the 1st amendment?

    democrats support are rights more than republicans though it seems

    I am all for longer sentences for some crimes, all while supporting our constitutional rights and not turning them into privileges
     
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    that is what is turning into Trump's hugest flaw regarding hte pandemic . There is no law declaring businesses essential or not essential. The federal government has issued guidelines and that is it. They have guidelined everything and let the states deal with it individually. And Trump isn't even bothering to pressure states to follow guidelines. But there is no law or compliance it is a suggestion
     
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    Totally false in so many ways.
     
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    That’s because Trump is bought and paid for, like the rest of the gop.
     
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    As opposed to whom, precisely? Which political candidates have not been "bought and paid for" by some special interest group or another.
     
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    Care to attempt to back that up?? I'll bet no..

    Here is an article from your Mother Ship on the issue

    SNIP
    An agency within the Department of Homeland Security has issued guidance telling states that they should allow gun retailers and shooting ranges to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic

    Though the guidance goes out of its way to say its recommendations are not mandatory,....

    Kris Brown, the president of the Brady Campaign said in a statement. "There is no constitutional right to immediately buy or sell guns"
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dh...un-stores-stay-open-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
     
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    Sadly nothing could be further from the truth, Trump went in a billionaire and will leave with less, unlike many previous politicians, like the Clinton's who went in paupers and came out millionaires.
     
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    Why don’t you ask the NRA.
     
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    And in most states that guidance was followed by the Governors who included it in their emergency orders making it the law for as long as the order is valid.

    This is why Miami-Dade and West Palm Beach changed their emergency orders to include gun and ammo shops and shooting ranges, Governor DeSantis issued an order that had to be followed or he could remove dissenting politicians from office and replace them with someone of his choosing.

    And once a Governor of a state adopts it it becomes mandatory which is why the NSSF and the NRA are suing and it's the NSSF who really wields the legal power, as they are funded by the shooting sports industry.

    Bull, restricting the market in firearms without good cause is an infringement of the Second, but not surprising the Brady campaign would lie about such they are well known for pulling anti-gun lies out of their back end.
     
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    There is no right to self defence in the constitution. And even constitutional rights are not absolute.

    Your whole argument is emotional, not based on law.
     
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    DeSatan will have his own problems with his response once this is over. But this thread is not about Florida...

    Yeah, there's certainly no good cause to limit store openings in the US at this time, huh....
     
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    Proving that constitutional rights are not absolute.
     
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    Yea right, under his leadership new COVID-19 cases have dropped by over 50% in Florida in just a few days, compare that to say NY and it becomes clear what true leadership is and it ain't found in that third world s-hole known as the Big Apple.
     
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    It sounds like a typical ploy by another anti-gun politician to exploit another tragedy as is their habit.

    The majority of the most recent gun sales are to first time gun buyers who have no firearms but have finally seen the light that the police will probably be snacking on doughnuts at some speed trap when you need them most.

    In other words, many anti-gun people have finally realized that in times of uncertainty, the only person really capable of protecting yourself & your loved ones is you.
     
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    Self defense is a G*d given right and such is declared in the Bill of Rights, learn a little civics someday.
     
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    When seconds count the police are only minutes or longer away, if they show up at all.
     
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