How many Covid deaths are acceptable

Which file?

 

I already closed all my browser windows, so no live link. I clicked a link in the article you posted to CDC data. Then the file is something close to "Weekly Counts of Deaths by State and Causes 2019-2020 (preliminary) ".

 

You can call it smug, but you weren't there for the 25+ years of sacrifice and relentless work which went into it. There's nothing smug about how we've lived in order to get where we are. And I guarantee it was never 'comfortable'. Unless you think getting up at 5.30am to get the fire going to heat the house, hot water system, and breakfast is easy (ie, going outside to bring in kindling and logs, multiple times a day, in all weather). Then intensive gardening and animal care for a few hours before starting the day's bread. Doing laundry and hanging it out on lines comes next. Sweeping out the house and outbuildings, hand washing dishes, making yogurt and/or cheese, and repair sewing. That's my morning. My afternoon/evenings are often busier, as bread is proofed and needs baking, and meals from scratch need prepping via the day's harvest. A final round of garden and animal maintenance, and another load of firewood brought in. Then we 'go out' after dinner. Hiking in the forest, riding our bikes, etc. Our house is unheated overnight (we often wake to inside temps below zero), and we don't have air-conditioning for the hot summers. We have one small tv, and crappy phones. We wear used clothing, ride used bikes, and drive used cars. Our vacations are in tents, and I haven't been to a hairdresser in 15 years. I wear no makeup, no jewellery, and haven't bought anything for myself but music in so long I can't remember what the last thing was. If you think that all sounds comfortable or easy, you're made of much sterner stuff than myself.

 

The first death attributed to covid-19 occurred in February. Anybody who died before that from the virus would not be counted in the death toll. And you're still ignoring the fact that we've still had more deaths than even the most serious flu seasons and those deaths are not abating.

 

But there is legitimate and rational debate in how deaths are being counted. The flu was never/rarely listed as the cause of someone’s death if they had another serious condition that was already killing them. Now Covid is being listed as the primary cause of death no matter what. And the standard has been sketchy at best especially when you consider how funding for patients has been applied over these past few months. Hospitals are struggling and listing Covid gets you a nice check per patient. You’d be foolish to think hospital administrators are ignoring that fact to replace funds they normally get from elective procedures. Without elective procedures hospitals fail. That’s not debatable.

No one is claiming Covid isn’t dangerous. But it’s only dangerous to specific demographics. The math is all there. You either ignore the science and go with feelings which is STUPID and spread unsubstantiated fear. Or we accept that the extreme vast population is nearly immune from death or severe complications from this strain. We take the precautions we know work and get **** moving again. Areas that are barely effected should be up and running now. Hot spots need to be more careful. Still doesn’t change that a healthy person in Idaho has no more a chance dying than a healthy person in NYC.

logic people!

 

Entire US Cause of Death Totals, Week 1-17, 2020 compared to 2019
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6


All Cause +36812 +3.60%

Natural Cause +52096 +5.44%

Septicemia (A40-A41) -591 -5.10%

Malignant neoplasms (C00-C97) -7505 -3.92%

Diabetes mellitus (E10-E14) -164 -0.53%

Alzheimer disease G30 +1243 +2.92%

Influenza & pneumonia (J10-J1 +3276 13.34%

Chronic Lower Respiratory diseases (J40-J47) -2735 -4.98%

Other diseases of respiratory system (J00-J06,J30-J39,J67,J70-J9 +674 +4.62%

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (N00-N07,N17-N19,N25-N27) -424 -2.61%

Diseases of heart (I00-I09,I11,I13,I20-I51) -8297 -3.73%

Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69) -409 -0.81%

Other, not elsewhere classified (R00-R99) +20582 +68.83%


COVID-19 (U071, Multiple Cause of Death) +48712 (+100.00%)

COVID-19 (U071, Underlying Cause of Death) +45767 (+100.00%)

All causes of death have increased 36,800.
18,946 fewer people have died from cancer, chronic lower respiratory disease, heart disease, and stroke this year so far compared to last year. Flu season was rough, showing a sizable increase in mortality.

 

I see you dropped your early claim because it's easily disproved and now shifted to compliance levels which are impossible to prove or disprove. You are dismissed.

 

Truth comes out. This guy is loving the paid holiday and doesn't want to work.

 

Week 17 ended April 25th. (I didn't add weeks 18-20 because the numbers look low across the board, like they haven't finished data entry.)

Week 17 through April 25th, CDC data shows and increase of 36,812 deaths from all causes compared to last year.

On April 25th, the Johns Hopkins dashboards, showed 54,144 cumulative Covid deaths.

 

All of them because its a natural process.

 

Bottom line is you and yours want to keep the economy shut down until covid is virtually gone and our economy is in complete irreversible depression. Every day this shutdown continues less businesses will reopen less people still have jobs to return to.

 

Yes, natural cause includes all diseases (and excludes murder, suicide, etc.)

 

Well Crank gave us the solution. If the 36,000,000 U.S. citizens who are now newly unemployed over the last 60 days can't make a living sitting at home on their butts typing on their keyboards, then they just get a cart and become a taco or hot dog street vendor. Problem solved.

 

Ok, make up whatever numbers you want based on how you want the results to turn out.

Looks like we got another Trump supporter here armed with "alternative facts" !

Still haven't seen any Trump supporter step up with a number.

I'll restate:

As of today, <insert Trump supporter provided number> Covid19 deaths in the US.

How many deaths before Dirty Donnie needs to resign ? How many people need to die because of his incompetence ?
Let's go Trump supporters, pick a number.

 

I can't make sense of that data, but then I have trouble making sense of any of the CDC data. But I did find this one (very simple) for Michigan.

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...m_content=20200515&utm_term=FA Today - 112017

 

The only back of the envelop number I was looking for was "excess deaths", although all the categories are interesting. 36,812 excess deaths the first 4 months of 2020 compared to last year is the CDC top line number in that data table.

 

What earlier claim?

 

We're working longer and harder hours than ever before. My husband is currently working 12 hour days, at least 6 days a week because of the pandemic, which means I'm doing all the other stuff he normally does, plus my own work.

You can't win, but it's fun to watch you try.

 

Or they could join forces with family members and cut costs. Or any one of the endless things we can do to secure ourselves against inclement weather.

 

And where are the customers going to come from if those businesses do open? Very few people are going to simply return to their usual habits. There won't be anywhere near enough to sustain even 50% of current businesses.

 

This is no longer about flattening the curve to protect medical institutions ability to treat.

This is now about establishing unrealistic and harmful goals for political gain. Nothing more nothing less.

The democrats are willing to decimate the economy under the false pretense that they are trying to save lives.

You can't stop a virus. That was never the intent of the stay at home orders. It was to slow it.

Now. At this point. Its simply partisan, with so much hatred towards Trump, the desire to destroy the country to "win". The enlightened radical far left are willing to stop at nothings. A means to an end.

Its lunacy.

 

It's not just Democrats...it's scientists and doctors, many conservatives...

 

Yet earlier you said you hoped the shutdown continued twelve more months because you were enjoying the time off. Pick a story and stick with it.

 

Wrong. People can’t wait to get out and about.